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phoeniz arms .22 for a glove box fire arm

perfweapon33perfweapon33 Member Posts: 39 ✭✭
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
I have owned a Phoenix arms .22 for a while now that I purchased for a cheap price for cheap practice shooting, but after shooting this gun a lot with a low amount of malfunctions I now carry this firearm in my glove box and is also a last resort backup.
I do not love this gun, but am simply stating that anyone in the market for a cheap gun that is fairly reliable the Phoenix arms .22 or .25 is a gun worth consideration.
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Any firearm that is only "fairly reliable" is not worth the price no matter how cheap.
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  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What price do you put on your life
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  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perfweapon33
    I have owned a Phoenix arms .22 for a while now that I purchased for a cheap price for cheap practice shooting, but after shooting this gun a lot with a low amount of malfunctions I now carry this firearm in my glove box and is also a last resort backup.
    I do not love this gun, but am simply stating that anyone in the market for a cheap gun that is fairly reliable the Phoenix arms .22 or .25 is a gun worth consideration.



    I see them at auction a lot. Never thought to look closely.
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  • Gregor62Gregor62 Member Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've owned one for close to 10 years. I've never had any issues with it, but I sure as hell don't stake my life on all the stupid "safety" garbage. Great tackle box gun.[:)]
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  • perfweapon33perfweapon33 Member Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree that fairly reliable is not good enough for a weapon that is going to save your life so I should list my malfunctions

    1st practice: 100 rounds: 38 malfunctions: I believe all ammo or break in related. The gun says do not shoot high velocity ammo, but at the time I did not know ( yea this session sucked )

    2nd practice: 100 rounds: 3 malfunctions ( gun not cleaned from first practice , this gun is a pain to breakdown and even harder to put back together, but since it was used for practice I left it dirty )


    3rd practice : ( cleaned ) 100 round : 0 malfunctions

    4th practice : ( cleaned ) 100 rounds : 1 malfunction

    5th practice: ( not cleaned ) 100 rounds : 3 malfunctions

    more practices with 500 rounds and only malfunctions ( 6 )came from practices with gun not cleaned

    to sum up, Clean the gun and it is very reliable leave it dirty and is is fairly reliable
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  • fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,554 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO!
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  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it does malfunction at least you could throw it at them.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,083 ******
    edited November -1
    Once I had a cop customer purchase a Davis .380 automatic. I asked him what he intended to do with it. He said it was for off-duty carry. I pointed out that it is a cheap, poorly made gun. He said it was "good enough" for off-duty.

    Boys and girls, "good enough," just isn't good enough, if you know what I mean.

    For a glove box gun, there are just too many used ex-police guns floating around at reasonable prices to waste money, time, and energy on a cheapie.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why not a little Beretta Bobcat/Tomcat?
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  • slingerslinger Member Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Perfection is the enemy of good enough.

    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Once I had a cop customer purchase a Davis .380 automatic. I asked him what he intended to do with it. He said it was for off-duty carry. I pointed out that it is a cheap, poorly made gun. He said it was "good enough" for off-duty.

    Boys and girls, "good enough," just isn't good enough, if you know what I mean.
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perfweapon33
    ...after shooting this gun a lot with a low amount of malfunctions I now carry this firearm in my glove box and is also a last resort backup.



    Last resort backup means that your life, for whatever reason, now hangs in the balance and your next move may well be your last. In this situation the last resort pistol had better be the most reliable gun on the planet and not something with a low amount of malfunctions...It had better have had ZERO malfunctions!
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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have a Raven .25. I would not count on it for anythig except if I throw it. Would not fire it cause I want the extra weight of the rounds in it.

    Its my safe Queen cause I never fire it and it is Kind of cute.
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  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562 ✭
    edited November -1
    My main carry gun used to be a S&W 59 but I sold it and bought a Ruger SR9. $350 "LNIB" and it fits my undersized hand! Several hundreds rounds so far and has worked perfectly. Mostly cheap ammo for practice, Blazers I bought long ago on sale. Down to about 500 left but I just scored another 1000 rounds on GB. Just installed a Ghost Trigger this evening. I am liking the improvement in dry firing a lot, looking forward to putting rounds through it.

    My secondary piece is a Kel-Tec P-3AT with a Crimson Trace laser. Carry in a DeSantis Super Fly pocket holster. Gun was $186 used on GB. Laser $136 new found online from a retailer. Not much ammo through it yet, but I like it so far. Got another 1000 rounds of Blazer Brass FMJ coming for that one.

    One of these days I may improve on the pocket gun. Really like the S&W Bodyguard 380, but the laser button is a problem. Perhaps next year.

    For non-plinking, defensive use my 9mm and .380ACP magazines are loaded with Speer Lawman JHP in both guns. I have been reading though about assorted brands of "Critical Defense" ammo. May try some and settle for one of those in the magazines I actually carry with.

    Now then, those cheap guns can be fun too. Never owned a Phoenix but I have played with others. Nothing wrong with cheap guns for enjoyment, if it is what you are into. Especially if you like to tinker and polish away machining marks inside!

    But you know there are some folks for whom a cheap gun is all they can scrape together the cash for. So you defend yourself with what you have.

    I figure I bought the best I can afford. Wouldn't mind a cheap .22 pistol for fun. May take a look at these Phoenix things.

    Cheaper the better [:D]
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  • EhlerDaveEhlerDave Member Posts: 5,158 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Jennings J-22. I bought it years ago with a good reason. I was running traps for beaver, spent a lot of time waist deep in the creeks and ponds. I got the J-22 because for the cost if I lost it I could deal with the $ and getting it dirty did not really matter.

    Would I bet my life on it, NO WAY. [8D] I still have it and the daughter shoots it, she has real small hands and it fits her well, plus she gets to learn to clear jams pretty well.
    Just smile and say nothing, let them guess how much you know.
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  • perfweapon33perfweapon33 Member Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    After re - thinking my decision you are all correct.
    I guess I will through my LCP in the cars glove box and use the Phoenix .22 for cheap target practice.
    It just really sucks because I love how the Phoenix feels in my hands, and I don't have to worry about it as much as a $ 300 gun, but if my life depends on it I don't think throwing my light weight .22 is going to do the trick..
    I am going to purchase the Ruger LC9 as my LCP replacement for carry
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  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022 ✭
    edited November -1
    Whatever was said above, goes double for the .25 cal. version.
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  • nutfinnnutfinn Member Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the 25acp, works well [:)]
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the HP22, sometimes the recoil spring is too weak to move the next round into the chamber. I plink with it, hey it was only $79.99
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,914 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a j frame smith is the correct answer
    why save 200 bucks on a .22 that might work
    and you know if it jams 2 times in 100 on the range, it will do half the time if you really need it! murphys law!
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  • Mk 19Mk 19 Member Posts: 8,170
    edited November -1
    I used to work for Pheonix Arms back in the early 90's, in being that I might have been the very person who built your pistol I would have to say that you should NEVER use that gun for defensive purposes.

    We had a 50% failure rate on the sears during assembly, that's right they would break when spring pressure was introduced. The busiest department was the repair shop because so many pistols were being sent back in as junk. I was only there for a few months, but I couldn't stand making nothing but junk so I quit.

    As for your example of having 500 rounds and only 6 malfunctions, sorry to have to say it but I have a old Ruger MK-1 that has had 10,000 rounds fired through it without a single malfunction, that is what you call reliability.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it ain't 100% over the last 500 rounds, how could you think you could depend upon it if you really needed it?
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • fkdentonfkdenton Member Posts: 540 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I own one and have not had problems with it. That being said, I would rather not have to depend on it to save my life.
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  • perfweapon33perfweapon33 Member Posts: 39 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will just keep my .22 for cheap practice purposes.
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  • coltpaxcoltpax Member Posts: 7,516 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you want a good .22, get a ruger. I wouldn't trust a Davis, jiminez, bryco, Phoenix, Jennings, or lorcin to do anything but jam. Save it for plinking, you'll have good practice at clearing jams.
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Last resort backup means that your life, for whatever reason, now hangs in the balance and your next move may well be your last. In this situation the last resort pistol had better be the most reliable gun on the planet and not something with a low amount of malfunctions...It had better have had ZERO malfunctions!That's exactly what I preach to people who ask for advice on choosing a back-up gun.

    If it ever comes into play your world has already gone to hell.

    That's no time for an 'it'll do' weapon. It's thermonuclear weapon time.
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  • GONESHOOTINGGONESHOOTING Member Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by idsman75
    Why not a little Beretta Bobcat/Tomcat?
    I have the bobcat and never any problems unless you run cheap ammo, As for the phoenix, own one, cheap little gun.
    Works ok, but would rather have the beretta, if I had to choose between the two.
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