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question for FFL's
hk-91
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What happens when you answer a question wrong when buying a gun. A friend just called me and said he was trying to buy a gun at fleet farm and got confused. He asked the person at the desk about the question and they said they couldnt help him at all. So he filled it out and they denied him. Told him it was a federal paper and he would be denied ever buying a gun from a FFL for the next 20 years.
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After American Jihadists have called for all muslims to purchase firearms and ammunition for their coming insurection, would you support that effort by helping to arm them?
If I owned a gunstore and any brown faced person came in I would ask them to leave pointing to the sign above the register that says
"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"
I don't care how much money I would lose, I know that one day those weapons will be used to kill citizens and government officials alike. In my mind it would be akin to running guns to the Mexican cartels or even the Indians in the later half of the 19th century.
to that end, I would call on stores like Walmart to stop selling guns all togehter since they have no policy that excludes sales based on bias toward certain minority groups. They do not have the power to decern (nor would they) thru racial or ethnic profiling (which I regard as common sense)
when i look at the FFL it says its for a 06 Manufacturer of Ammunition for Firearms License
my question is can a 06 license receive my handgun and do the tranfer to the new owner ? or is some one trying to pull some thing on me ?
The last time I checked, the FFL forms are not numbered.
They could have destroyed the form and just started a new one.
The 20 yr. rule is a boatload of crap.
Agreed +100
I doubt that anything would happen. I've made a mistake every now and then when they changed forms. All they did was give me a different form to fill out. All he has to do is go to another store and buy it. Hell he could always go back to the original one when a different clerk was working.
When was the change.
if a person makes a mistake and checks no on the first box...........
what do YOU DO
I was very carefull not to screw up on the questions.
quote: A salesperson has NO POWER AT ALL over who does and doesn't get to own a gun
if a person makes a mistake and checks no on the first box...........
what do YOU DO
The store owner should ask "did you READ this question" and if the buyer looks at it and says they misunderstood what it said they can fill it out again. You CAN'T say "you are supposed to say YES to this one and no to the rest".....its not brain surgery, you can make a mistake and it is ok. The store employee sounds like he is on a power high and I really feel for them if this is how they handle little hiccups like this. It must be hard to get through the day when your that wound up. Its a form for goodness sake....people are gonna mess up from time to time. The way the wrote it out I'm sure every one of us that do this have dealt with this mess thousands of times.
A gun seller at Mills Fleet Farm is probably half as knowledgable as a seller at Walmart.
20 years? Where the hell would that come from? I would love to be that guys boss and see this, just sayin[;)]
I explain questions to buyers almost everyday, if there is a mistake made a simple line is supposed to be used to cancel that question and then the correct answer clearly checked. I would say someone that has slight reading comprehension problems check a wrong answer 1 out of every 20. If you count all the people that check the last question no(the one you are supposed to skip) it would be like 1 in 5.
When an employee brings me a 4473 I find a mistake on at least 50% of them, I can spot them with a glance usually and some people filling it out I almost turn down becasue I don't know if they are competant to own a firearm with some of their answers, nothing to do with "right" to own a firearm.
*snip* A salesperson has NO POWER AT ALL over who does and doesn't get to own a gun. *snip*
Having your own FFL, and having had one in the family, you've obviously never had to wait for Jerome to come back to the sporting goods counter after his lunch/smoke break...
quote:Originally posted by armilite
I doubt that anything would happen. I've made a mistake every now and then when they changed forms. All they did was give me a different form to fill out. All he has to do is go to another store and buy it. Hell he could always go back to the original one when a different clerk was working.
When was the change.
The forms have changed at least 4 times since the early 1980's. I don't know the specific dates that they changed but the original ones that I still have aren't anything like the forms are now. I know one of the changes in the forms were made when they added the restraining order question. That wasn't on there in 1980.
Bought a rimfire rifle on sale at one of those places. THEIR rules- they have to carry the boxed rifle out of the store. So the kid follows me out to the car, lays rifle in trunk. I laid my jacket in trunk. Kid looks over at my no longer concealed 45, and mouth drops open.
He asked "Guess that is a pretty silly rule, huh?" "Yep."
I would love to here more about that.
Is it possible???
quote:On a crazy side note.....the trial between my father and the ATF is WHY this question is on the form today. Long long story.....but my father WON against them (one of the very very few people that can say this.)
I would love to here more about that.
Is it possible???
This is the "cliff notes" version of this. My father owned THE busiest gun store in the Southeast back during the 80's. It was a wonderful store....Trader's Gun Shop. This was back when I was a teenager and my head was in the clouds. The ATF had a guy that they found selling guns at a flea market. They scared him and offered him some kind of deal if he testified against my father....who knows what??? The thing about it was back in the early 80's ANYONE could buy ANYONE ELSE a gun so long as BOTH parties were legal gun owners. The ATF "changed the law" some time later. When they changed the rules Trader's Guns did things according to the new rules. The ATF was trying to prosecute my father for breaking their rules.....but they were using things that were done BEFORE the rules were changed. The most fulfilling moment of the entire trial was when the federal judge said on the bench...."It looks like the ATF makes up the law themselves as they see fit." There just hasn't been a happier moment in my entire life than when I heard that and KNEW the judge saw everything for what it was. Not long after the trial we got a "new" form with the first question being "Are you the actual buyer of the firearm"
Good morning Jim:
He will cross out his incorrect answer, mark the correct answer and write his initials and date of correction, beside the correction. Call me at 571 241 5459, if you hav e further questions.
From: Jim Brown [mailto:jwbguns@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:39 AM
To: Muniz, Marco A.
Subject: 4473 question
if a person makes a mistake on the 4473 form, what is the proper procedure to handle this situtation?
example, he checks the first question that he is not the actual buyer
thanks
jim brown
ffl dealer
If a person is not able filling in the 4473 form correctly, they should not have a gun [:)]
That is not your call to make. If a man can't read, he can't have a gun? Funny, I don't see that in the laws or Constitution anywhere.
quote:Originally posted by nutfinn
If a person is not able filling in the 4473 form correctly, they should not have a gun [:)]
That is not your call to make. If a man can't read, he can't have a gun? Funny, I don't see that in the laws or Constitution anywhere.
That is my opinion [:)]