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Crystal Meth labs and gun blue...warning
Locust Fork
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One of my friends who is a police officer came into the store today and asked if anyone has been buying LARGE amounts of gun blue??? He said they can use it to make Crystal Meth and explained how easy it is to do it....so...if you guys have an irregular buyer of gun blue this could be the reason. I haven't run into anything like this, but I thought others may want to know this is going on.
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A coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not![:D]
At least they're not using the stuff to re-blue guns, which hopefully means the ones using it to make Meth either don'T have guns, or their guns are in a state of "disrepair", and might eventually "blow-up" (or malfunction at least) 'cause "we" don't need anymore retards with guns than "we" already got! OH HELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!
Zipperzap : "a druggie friend of yours" ??? makes me wonder , I dont have any "Druggie Friends" , just what circle of people are you in???
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO (w-out druggie "friends")....
Niota , Tn
I noticed a druggie friend of mine who has been continually been turning a shade of blue!
A coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not![:D]
When he turns green you'll know that he switched over to using copper remover.
red phosphorus
white efedrine
blue iodine...does gun blue contain iodine?
the anhydros ammonia is commonly found in old refrigeration systems
it is a special crime to steel it and a felony even for small amounts...they are really trying to "crack' down on this crime[:D]the upriver folks around here used to run stills now they run meth labs and cops just busted a local place with an arsenal yesterday...man I hope they don't destroy those guns ar's... a python.. glocks.. smiths and aks were siezed from the dealers
They have a syndrome there named "Meth Mouth."
They said that meth is real hard on teeth, for some reason. Plus, when the guys are high they love to swill Mountain Dew and other high sugar drinks.
So there are lots of 28 year old meth heads at the Pen with a mouth full of rotten teeth.
The prison dentist was sick and tired of working on them.
...if you guys have an irregular buyer...
Perhaps they're irregular because they're on meth?
All I know is after being told to watch out for this....if a person I have NEVER seen before comes in and asks for 10 jars of gun blue and can't even tell me the difference between an AK and an AR....they will be leaving without what they came for.
I know, I know.... Alaska and Arkansas. Don
All I know is after being told to watch out for this....if a person I have NEVER seen before comes in and asks for 10 jars of gun blue and can't even tell me the difference between an AK and an AR....they will be leaving without what they came for.
Sell him the stuff, then turn him in.. How long have you been in business?
the anhydros ammonia is commonly found in old refrigeration systems
it is a special crime to steel it and a felony even for small amounts.
Ammonia is used at almost every ice plant in the country. The plant that i worked at had a 10,000lb system. We had to build a second barb wire fence, beside the one that surrounds the entire property, and install motion detectors and alarm systems to protect our storage tanks. Regardless we still had people trying to steal from us.
Joe & Jill Investment Property Owners confronted with news a renter had turned their garage into a lab = $50,000+ to decontaminate the place. Sometimes the place had to be razed!
let's just say that I would NEVER work with anhydrous ammonia unless I had an exhaust hood which was tested for sufficient airflow, and even then I would use extreme caution.
I am surprised that more druggies don't kill themselves off making meth.
I believe that diethyl ether is also used somewhere in the procedure (unless I am confusing that with the purification of cocaine) which has an extremely low boiling point (it will boil if you hold a beaker of it in your hand) and extremely low flash point for the vapor. One mistake and KABOOM! I do know for sure that ether is used in some procedure with cocaine and recall that some comedian or actor blew himself up during the procedure.
Long enough to know I don't want THAT in my store....and that you can't "turn somone in" for buying gun blue.
Duh.. do you think stores that sell cold tablets with ephedrine turn away people with money or take it upon themselves to decide who is legitimate and who isnt/ just because you don't know the person doesnt mean that they are going to make drugs, nor does it mean that you have to lose the sale. I don't want to make it sound too complicated for you but what the stores that sell cold tablets do is ask for identification ike a drivers license or something. and then write down the information on any large purchases, and then they turn the information over to the police. Thats how you "turn someone in" for buying gun blue. If they refuse to give you ID they are probably not legiimate. If they give you ID you can still sell them the supplies and let the police do the detective work.
Oh yeah,,, and dont forget to do something with your hair.
the recipe for meth is red white and blue....
red phosphorus
white efedrine
blue iodine...does gun blue contain iodine?
Resublimed iodine has the nasty property of turning from a solid to a gas and back to a solid! Think about that one a minute. A lung full of powdered iodine!
Allen
This is my little thing I have to deal with....only because SOME people can't be trusted with everyday average common sence things. I guess I could stand there in front of some looser and have a long drawn out episode that involves me getting all worked up and actually spending time dealing with this crap.....OR.....I can chunck that looser out on their rear end and resist the urge to kick them in the privates and thank them for the fact that I can't stock up on Nyquil.
Lets vote....
1..Take IDs and spend time with druggie loosers only to be able to tell the authorities that someone bought a large amount of a legal to own substance.
2..Kick the druggies in the privates and tell them to go away.
Benadryl is probably better for you in the long run than nyquil. Benadryl has the same drug as some sleep aids (I checked) and doesn't have the acetominophen that nyquil has. Acetominophen is rather bad for the liver, for instance the instructions tell you to avoid alcohol if you are taking acetominophen. (liver can only filter out a limited amount of oth substances, taking both is like OD-ing on either)
Acetaminophen will fry your liver, just take it when you have a headache.
A friend of mine is married to a meth monster, she has mentioned the "cooler meth" your talking about. Don't care to know what the recipe is but I remember her saying there is gun blueing a role of nickles and something else put in a cooler and buried for something like 30 days and the stuff turns into powder which they smoke.
You have got to be kidding me? A roll of nickels and gun blue? it's amazing these people live long enough to pass these recipes around.
For those not academia or industry which uses lots of chemicals, MSDS or Material Safety Data Sheet is basically an information release about chemicals or products from several chemicals (pesticide, paint, gun blue) which contains health safety information, fire hazards and special firefighting techniques (ie. don't use water, etc.), storage info, environmental concerns, etc. etc.
This link has MSDS for gun blue, gun oil, bore cleaners and a bunch of other stuff. Basically gun blue is nasty fooey, I concur with hugh, how any of these suckers survive is beyond me.
http://www.birchwoodcasey.com/sport/msds.asp
I don't get how anyone can let things get like that...do they look at the junkies and say..."I want a sofa in MY yard one day??" It can't possibly feel THAT good....I've had hangovers before and you get up the next day praying for help and swearing to be good from now on. But...to go as far as to loose anything worth having, let everything get so worn out and filthy around and to cost a small fortune to be that way....is just CRAZY.
I don't get these people....at all.
All I know is after being told to watch out for this....if a person I have NEVER seen before comes in and asks for 10 jars of gun blue and can't even tell me the difference between an AK and an AR....they will be leaving without what they came for.
[:)]one is a communist gun and the other is a democratic gun.
Since we are talking about how nasty those chemical are,
let's just say that I would NEVER work with anhydrous ammonia unless I had an exhaust hood which was tested for sufficient airflow, and even then I would use extreme caution.
I am surprised that more druggies don't kill themselves off making meth.
I believe that diethyl ether is also used somewhere in the procedure (unless I am confusing that with the purification of cocaine) which has an extremely low boiling point (it will boil if you hold a beaker of it in your hand) and extremely low flash point for the vapor. One mistake and KABOOM! I do know for sure that ether is used in some procedure with cocaine and recall that some comedian or actor blew himself up during the procedure.
I can't remember his name, but it was that incident that started the "Ignited Negro Fund".
[:D]
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
Since we are talking about how nasty those chemical are,
let's just say that I would NEVER work with anhydrous ammonia unless I had an exhaust hood which was tested for sufficient airflow, and even then I would use extreme caution.
I am surprised that more druggies don't kill themselves off making meth.
I believe that diethyl ether is also used somewhere in the procedure (unless I am confusing that with the purification of cocaine) which has an extremely low boiling point (it will boil if you hold a beaker of it in your hand) and extremely low flash point for the vapor. One mistake and KABOOM! I do know for sure that ether is used in some procedure with cocaine and recall that some comedian or actor blew himself up during the procedure.
I can't remember his name, but it was that incident that started the "Ignited Negro Fund".
[:D]
Richard Pryor[B)]
Meth labs destroy a large area around the equipment and can kill entire lakes and streams. The cleanup is very tricky. Almost better if it blow up and burns to bits.
The damn meth heads made it really hard for me to buy iodine in bulk. We use it on cattle and I use it on myself a lot as well. You have to show ID to purchase it at the supply stores and they never stock much.
Never heard of them using bluing for guns. I guess the ammonia and acid would be useful.
Meth was discovered in WW2 by the Nazi's who were all tweaked out on the stuff while hauling * in tanks and flying airplanes with nitrous injection which they also invented. Nitrous and Meth, nice combo eh? The troops brought the formula home and it evolved into a really big problem when the biker gangs produced it commercially. It used to be called ice or crystal meth. Now it's a hell of a lot more dangerous and toxic because the materials needed to produce it are not readily available. They use mixed chemicals like blueing that have the primary ingredients they need. So long for the lab grade ice!
Meth heads can come clean. Meth dealers must die.
WTH
Leave it to a newbie to dig up a 4 year old thread.
WTH
+1...when I saw Zipperzap posted, I was also like WTH
I noticed a druggie friend of mine who has been continually been turning a shade of blue!
A coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not![:D]
Could be that he has been sucking a donkey's...........
Well never mind..