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Chris Kyle American Sniper - Interesting Interview
Wyatt Earp
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What is the basis for him calling Jessie Ventura a traitor? Is he implying that Ventura has done anything in the traditional sense to be guilty of the charge or is this just over his politics and the truth as Ventura sees it?
From what I've been able to see about Chris Kyle, he has no interest in politics. He smacked Ventura after Ventura said the SEALS "deserve to lose a few."
Saying that to a SEAL during a fellow SEAL's wake, just isn't very bright.
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What is the basis for him calling Jessie Ventura a traitor? Is he implying that Ventura has done anything in the traditional sense to be guilty of the charge or is this just over his politics and the truth as Ventura sees it?
From what I've been able to see about Chris Kyle, he has no interest in politics. He smacked Ventura after Ventura said the SEALS "deserve to lose a few."
Saying that to a SEAL during a fellow SEAL's wake, just isn't very bright.
I'm still waiting for some SEAL witnesses to come forward about this non event. I'm not going to hold my breath until that happens.
I'm still waiting for some SEAL witnesses to come forward about this non event. I'm not going to hold my breath until that happens.
Witnesses have come out, and although they're both friendly toward Kyle, they are both SEALs and both say they were there to witness the smackdown. Bill O'Reilly verified the 2 witnesses last week, 1 by name and 1 who wanted to remain anonymous because he's active duty.
Now, it's easy to question the veracity of friendly witnesses, but I haven't heard a peep out of any of Ventura's friends who say he was elsewhere that day.
This incident is a lot easier to refute than it is to prove. The date of the SEAL's wake is easy enough to find out - then all Ventura has to do is show a credit card receipt or a witness that shows he wasn't in San Diego that day. I find it telling that Ventura can't prove something so simple as him being elsewhere that day.
Don't you find it odd that, as recognizable a figure as Ventura is, not a single person can say they saw him somewhere else that day?
It looks more and more like this happened.
Some credibility goes with those accomplishments.
Were you aware that the publisher of Kyle's book is an outfit called HarperCollins. HarperCollins is owned by NewsCorp (Rupert Murdoch). Who was it that owns Fox? Oh yeah, that's right it is Rupert Murdoch. No wonder Fox is all over this story.
Were you aware that a couple of weeks prior to Kyle's attack on Ventura, Fox and TMZ ran another bogus story about Ventura losing it in a fit of road rage on his way to a California airport? After Ventura proved he was in MN at the time they pulled the story down. No retraction, they just got rid of the story.
I'm afraid you will have to wait for Ventura to get back to the states for him to pursue the matter further. My suspicion is that Kyle, with his status as a sniper, is doing favors for the big boys and maybe he'll end up with a fat no-bid contract for his company and in the meantime he'll sell more books. Time will tell.
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I'm still waiting for some SEAL witnesses to come forward about this non event. I'm not going to hold my breath until that happens.
Witnesses have come out, and although they're both friendly toward Kyle, they are both SEALs and both say they were there to witness the smackdown. Bill O'Reilly verified the 2 witnesses last week, 1 by name and 1 who wanted to remain anonymous because he's active duty.
Now, it's easy to question the veracity of friendly witnesses, but I haven't heard a peep out of any of Ventura's friends who say he was elsewhere that day. Wyatt, Ventura may have been at that function that day...he has been there many times and for different occasions. The owner was his instructor.
This incident is a lot easier to refute than it is to prove. The date of the SEAL's wake is easy enough to find out - then all Ventura has to do is show a credit card receipt or a witness that shows he wasn't in San Diego that day. I find it telling that Ventura can't prove something so simple as him being elsewhere that day. Ventura isn't saying he wasn't there. He is saying nobody punched him or knocked him down.
Don't you find it odd that, as recognizable a figure as Ventura is, not a single person can say they saw him somewhere else that day?Again ...wrong question. I find it odd that, if true, it took 6 years for this to come out. It is all over the internet about whether or not Ventura was a SEAL or not but a story about a SEAL cold cocking him takes 6 years to show up and then timed so that the story breaks when Ventura is off the grid surfing and out of the country giving the story days of circulation before he can respond. This doesn't even qualify as not reading between the lines....it is ignoring giant billboards.
It looks more and more like this happened.No it really doesn't look that way. Don't you understand that even if Ventura comes back from Mexico and provides concrete proof that the story is a lie, the damage is already done. Ventura's reputation takes a hit just like with the road rage story. People always remember the original story...never the page 22 retraction. It is why we have slander and libel laws.
Understand this one thing. I am not a big Ventura fan. He was my Governor and he did no worse than any of our other Governors. I just hate seeing flimsy smear campaigns like this go unchallenged.
So far as deserving to lose a few, in context I have to agree that anyone who blindly follows orders and kills others without a though as to right or wrong might deserve to lose a few. Don't know if this applieas to the Seals but I do know the WARs my country has been involved in are in just wars.
NO one would have a problem with Ventura saying that about the WAFFEN SS. And what did they do? Like any other soliders they followed orders.
Oh I agree, it was flimsy evidence, but Ventura has offered exactly none. Why is it he can't even prove he wasn't in San Diego that day? And if he was, then that is one tiny step toward the story being true.
quote:I'm afraid you will have to wait for Ventura to get back to the states for him to pursue the matter further. My suspicion is that Kyle, with his status as a sniper, is doing favors for the big boys and maybe he'll end up with a fat no-bid contract for his company and in the meantime he'll sell more books. Time will tell.
I admit that I hope the story is true and admitedly that fogs my opinion. I don't dislike Ventura, I just really like the larger-than-life character that is Chris Kyle. Whatever the truth is about the Ventura fight, Chris Kyle is an amazing guy and an American hero. That causes me to give him the benefit of the doubt.