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NEWTOWN, Timing is surely coincidental
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Mere days after Dianne Sphyncters gun ban bill dies in the senate and the gun debate seems to be losing steam, Newtown "investigators" release ominous details of items found in Adam Lanzas home.
And the media laps it up!
And the media laps it up!
Arrivederci gigi
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
That would explain why they waited 104 days?
"I think there had been a court ordered 90 day restriction on releasing information."
That would explain why they waited 104 days?
90 was from the date of the restriction, not the date of the event.
It appears you were right about that.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22883030/limits-sought-information-from-newtown-warrants
Thanks!
It also looks like they were able to pick and choose what info they would release, and will continue to do so, as the governor and the courts see fit.
dlrjj,
It appears you were right about that.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22883030/limits-sought-information-from-newtown-warrants
Thanks!
It also looks like they were able to pick and choose what info they would release, and will continue to do so, as the governor and the courts see fit.
Yeah, they were selective, weren't they.
I understand the names, but not some of the other things.
Serial numbers are of no value to the public, but they also would do no harm that I can see.
People outraged by the horror of it all react emotionally and leap to Guns as the real problem. I do not get this, but there it is.
Gun owners, equally outraged by this horror hear their honest and lawful pursuits being threatened, and leap to the defense of Gun Rights.
As the parade and clown car activities progress the real issue is instantly lost in the ruckus.
Dangerously Mentally Ill People.
Criminally Minded People.
The mental health system in this country is flat busted. Has been for a good forty years since we tore it apart and tossed mental patients out of hospitals. There were good reasons for reform, but we did not reform, we destroyed.
I wish more people would talk about the real issue, that being the nut cases and what to do about them.
Such as -
* Train LEOs and Educators on what to watch for and report.
* Make reporting mandatory with penalties for not reporting.
* Fund secured mental patient wards and staff them.
* Define nationally what emergency confinements may be done.
* As problems arise do not tear down, correct and move forward.
Conservatives will have to accept taxpayer money being spent.
Liberals will have to accept infringement on the rights of the mentally ill.
Or we could just stay on this three ring circus tour waiting for the next nut job to kill some innocents.
I'd rather we work the problem for a change.
They release the report and now the complaining begins about the "suspicious timing"
How many Diehard sequels are there?
Todays Thursday, from what I read, the report was scheduled for release on Wednesday.
So those guys complaining on Tuesday were jumping the gun, I guess.
Wasnt here so didnt see what was posted on Tuesday.
Link?
2 days ago, every thread about Sandy Hook that was being posted on the forum complained about the police not releasing the report....
They release the report and now the complaining begins about the "suspicious timing"
True.
Seems people are much more interested in pissing and moaning than solving ANY problem.
Why is that a natioanl outcry for gun control?
Mere days after Dianne Sphyncters gun ban bill dies in the senate and the gun debate seems to be losing steam, Newtown "investigators" release ominous details of items found in Adam Lanzas home.
I find it curious that they have chosen to release a long list of all the "bad" items that were in the shooter's home but nothing about the shooter's motive or the events that preceded the shooting.
Perhaps it is helpful (to those who are pushing for increased gun control) to encourage people to focus on the items instead of the people, particularly if it turns out that the system almost worked. (Some have speculated that the shooter's mother was trying to have him committed against his will.)
Can't please everyone.
Ya I complained they did not release any info, that should have been done a month after or sooner. They did not want anyone speculating on facebook god forbid! [V]
But it's AOK for the media to make up just about anything they wanted all along the way. Ya that's just fine.
Too old to live...too young to die...
quote:Originally posted by gunpaq
What about the white trash mother shot and her poo white baby boy executed by two _ _ _ _ _ _ _'s American youths?
Why is that a natioanl outcry for gun control?
Would that be RACIAL?
Can't be....white folk deserve it so you aren't allowed to call it racial, especially if you're white.
The circus continues.
People outraged by the horror of it all react emotionally and leap to Guns as the real problem. I do not get this, but there it is.
Gun owners, equally outraged by this horror hear their honest and lawful pursuits being threatened, and leap to the defense of Gun Rights.
As the parade and clown car activities progress the real issue is instantly lost in the ruckus.
Dangerously Mentally Ill People.
Criminally Minded People.
The mental health system in this country is flat busted. Has been for a good forty years since we tore it apart and tossed mental patients out of hospitals. There were good reasons for reform, but we did not reform, we destroyed.
I wish more people would talk about the real issue, that being the nut cases and what to do about them.
Such as -
* Train LEOs and Educators on what to watch for and report.
* Make reporting mandatory with penalties for not reporting.
* Fund secured mental patient wards and staff them.
* Define nationally what emergency confinements may be done.
* As problems arise do not tear down, correct and move forward.
Conservatives will have to accept taxpayer money being spent.
Liberals will have to accept infringement on the rights of the mentally ill.
Or we could just stay on this three ring circus tour waiting for the next nut job to kill some innocents.
I'd rather we work the problem for a change.
While there is a problem, it is not necessarily a problem of violence. As empathetic human beings, we should, IMO, do a better job as a country to care for those who have mental issues, though statistically they are not a significant problem in the big picture with respect to violent crime. Killing sprees by a few get headlines, but these are insignificant when looking at the whole problem.
Fiscal Conservatives should take a realistic look at the cost of ignoring those with mental issues and attempt to find a way to include the human cost in that calculation.
Liberals need not accept 'infringement on the rights of the mentally ill'. This is the easy way out, and one that societies throughout history have taken. The majority has no authority to deny the rights of a minority. Statistics show that those with mental issues are roughly 3 times more likely than the general population to commit a violent crime.
Do you want to play the same game with the races? Perhaps liberal will have to just accept an infringement upon the rights of blacks. Statistically, a black man is more likely to commit a violent crime than a person with mental illness.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/thewideangle/item/black_crime_rates_in_the_spotlight_39090729
'While Obama speaks either in an ill-informed or ideological way about "disproportionate" treatment of blacks in the nation's criminal justice system, statistics do not lie. Young black men (between the ages of 18 and 24) commit murder at ten times the rate of whites and Latinos. Based on this disproportionate level of violent criminal behavior, police are stopping and arresting more black male suspects based on actual rates of criminality, not whim and caprice. To blame police for arresting high numbers of black suspects is unfair and could be characterized as blaming the messengers for the unpleasant news that they have no choice but to impart.'
If we really wanted to work the problem, wouldn't placing greater emphasis upon denying weapons to blacks be more useful?
Of course it would, but blacks have a voice. The mentally ill do not, and we as a society seem to be content to throw their rights away, mainly because it is easy. Kick the dog, as it were, and it is sickening to me.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/20/health/la-he-mentally-ill-violent-20110116
'What's more, other factors, such as unemployment, divorce in the last year and a history of physical abuse, are better predictors of violent behavior than a diagnosis of schizophrenia, according to a 2009 study in the Archives of General Psychiatry.
"If a person has severe mental illness without substance abuse and history of violence, he or she has the same chances of being violent during the next three years as any other person in the general population," the study found.
Data from the National Institute of Mental Health's Epidemiologic Catchment Area study indicate that 2.3% of Americans in good mental health had committed a violent act in the course of a year. Among those with schizophrenia or a major mood disorder, the rate was 7%, the study reported.'
Brad Steele
Most of the info O was using yesterday was info over 20 years old and the facts don't ring true. It seems to me our Present administration is in full propaganda mode and very little is the truth.
Noticed O'bummer claimed that 'polls' showed 90% of the population was in favor of 'gun control'.
That sure doesn't account/explain on the run on gun and ammunition sales since Dec 14th.
I doubt that 10% of the population bought 100% of the recent purchases.
I'm willing to bet that the 'Pro-gun' organizations could provide polls that showed 90% of the population was against 'gun control'.
The late Neal Knox once observed that these horrific shootings always coincided with gun control debates. As soon as the issue was raised in political debate there would be a shooting the gun ban side would tout as evidence that laws are needed. The time line of shootings/debates he published was disturbing. You hate to think that people would arrange these events, or doctor evidence to bolster their arguments, but I am ready to believe anything at this point.
Can this timeline be seen on the net?