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  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...maybe some of those taxi cab drivers will make it to the real "Big Time" and race F-1; a truly Global audience, bigger crowds, larger World-wide TV viewership, richer purses, larger endorsements, etc.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by austin20
    Dude, really your dragging up articles quoting information from 2008??



    That is information... regardless it still is the same. Sponsors.. did you read how the tracks get paid? Fans DO NOT pay the drivers... I didn't think you understood
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    and noses so high in the air they drown in the shower


    I fully agree, but S-F's definition of "Big Time" is $$$ and based on his own criteria, F-1 is BIGGER than NASCAR.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 17tobyracing
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    and noses so high in the air they drown in the shower


    I fully agree, but S-F's definition of "Big Time" is $$$ and based on his own criteria, F-1 is BIGGER than NASCAR.


    F1 is larger than NASCAR. However NASCAR is many times larger than USAC
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did you see who pays the purse for the Drivers of NASCAR.
    Did you see who gets the money from the fans?
  • dav1965dav1965 Member Posts: 26,540 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Select Fire the article is right but with attendance down along with tv watching down the next tv deal will be for less.

    With less fans there is less food, beer, and t shirt sales. Everything is in a downward spiral. Sponsors are not going to want to pay 25 to 30 million for a limited market.

    Nascar is in a rut and it is going downhill. I think they will make it but they are not making as much as they would like.
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by 17tobyracing
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    and noses so high in the air they drown in the shower


    I fully agree, but S-F's definition of "Big Time" is $$$ and based on his own criteria, F-1 is BIGGER than NASCAR.


    "F1 is larger than NASCAR. However NASCAR is many times larger than USAC"


    ...and USAC is many times larger than an arm-chair, seat-sniffing, racing fan-boy or a make believe boxer!
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by austin20
    Dude, really your dragging up articles quoting information from 2008??



    That is information... regardless it still is the same. Sponsors.. did you read how the tracks get paid? Fans DO NOT pay the drivers... I didn't think you understood


    ...and without the fans, either in the seats or watching the tv, the sponsors go away.

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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dav1965
    Select Fire the article is right but with attendance down along with tv watching down the next tv deal will be for less.

    With less fans there is less food, beer, and t shirt sales. Everything is in a downward spiral. Sponsors are not going to want to pay 25 to 30 million for a limited market.

    Nascar is in a rut and it is going downhill. I think they will make it but they are not making as much as they would like.


    Well when track attendance goes down it is up to the tracks to stay with NASCAR or cancel. NASCAR will not have any problems running a second race at another track who will step up and gladly do it. I reckon there would be some deals going on.. however most are on contracts like the networks. NASCAR isn't in any financial problems. If track attendance is down they have the power to negotiate to the tracks what part of the big money they get from sponsors and the networks. They do as the article said...usually keep about a third of the money. Pretty good business profile.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And in big business you pay big money. That is exactly why little tracks in the little leagues pay low purses.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As the world turns, Nascar is in decline....soon to be back to dirt tracks,because there is no new fan base coming along....
  • dav1965dav1965 Member Posts: 26,540 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are also seeing a lot of racing team sponsors only pay for x amount of races. There are a lot of good drivers with 3 or more sponsors.

    Dollars are down. Even with the tracks dropping the prices they can not fill the stands.

    When i was in the military i could get tickets free and i bet 100 people would not take them.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dav1965
    Select Fire the article is right but with attendance down along with tv watching down the next tv deal will be for less.

    With less fans there is less food, beer, and t shirt sales. Everything is in a downward spiral. Sponsors are not going to want to pay 25 to 30 million for a limited market.

    Nascar is in a rut and it is going downhill. I think they will make it but they are not making as much as they would like.





    the "market" is not in the stands, its in living rooms and sports bars then into merchandising




    if that where the case, golf, hockey, football, baseball etc etc would be gone

    ever watch a saint Louis rams game in saint Louis, or saint Louis blues ?, its a wonder they even lease out a concession stand
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    If the make believe boxer reference is directed at me
    you are a larger * than I had thought.

    I respect an independent racer way more than teams with wads of cash and attitude.

    You trash Select but have that nose in the air way worse.

    Maybe you cant see that.






    Nope, not a reference to you. It was directed at the G-B Ali.

    I actually respect your opinions...
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    If the make believe boxer reference is directed at me
    you are a larger * than I had thought.

    I respect an independent racer way more than teams with wads of cash and attitude.

    You trash Select but have that nose in the air way worse.

    Maybe you cant see that.






    We need to find him some H.O. slot car track and a cheetah or gt40 slot car. He could then daydream racing in the big leagues.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now don't go hijacking my thread..[:D] I am trying to educate how NASCAR pays the drivers and track owners.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can you imagine how much those drivers make off of the t shirts, model cars.. blah blah blah..? [:D]
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    If the make believe boxer reference is directed at me
    you are a larger * than I had thought.

    I respect an independent racer way more than teams with wads of cash and attitude.

    You trash Select but have that nose in the air way worse.

    Maybe you cant see that.






    We need to find him some H.O. slot car track and a cheetah or gt40 slot car. He could then daydream racing in the big leagues.


    H.O. slot car racers still have more racing experience and knowledge than you do!
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well I hope you enjoy Your hobby. Use to be a class at the local track.. Hobby Stock. Guys would bring their junk and race around a dirt track. Winner got to say they won. That was it.No monetary benefit or if there was it didn't cover the fuel, time and equipment. What an addiction, to spend a lot of effort just to say you done it. Not for me.

    On the flip side if you get good someone might take notice. However all that does is make it more expensive to play.. the rungs on the ladder get more and more expensive.

    I wish you luck in the Hobby.
  • discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just like the NFL doesnt need to sell 1 ticket to a game, and the teams show a profit because of the TV deal, i would imagine Nascar and purse money is the same way. TV deal pays all the bills
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    Well I hope you enjoy Your hobby. Use to be a class at the local track.. Hobby Stock. Guys would bring their junk and race around a dirt track. Winner got to say they won. That was it.No monetary benefit or if there was it didn't cover the fuel, time and equipment. What an addiction, to spend a lot of effort just to say you done it. Not for me.

    On the flip side if you get good someone might take notice. However all that does is make it more expensive to play.. the rungs on the ladder get more and more expensive.

    I wish you luck in the Hobby.


    You made it pretty far up the ladder as a make-believe boxer...probably carrying spit buckets and sniffing dirty jock-straps!
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LMAO Austin



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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Big deal.. that comes out to a massive figure of $3255 less per driver for 5 yrs.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It also means that Austin was right, there has been an almost 8% decline in the purse, and the chart you posted was irrelevant to any rational attempt at refuting what he said.

    But WTH, why worry about facts when there is a chicken dancing?

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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NASCAR is still in Business. Even though he wishes they were not. Business goes up and down. I imagine if any other sport was looked at closely they are not doing any better. It is the economy. However life goes on and Austin still bitches. He is so easy to get upset.
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is so easy to get upset.


    Appears to me, you are the who gets so upset! Funny really, you go on because they bait you. They are the corn pile, you are the deer! Don
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is so easy to get upset.


    Appears to me, you are the who gets so upset! Funny really, you go on because they bait you. They are the corn pile, you are the deer! Don



    Not ..[:)] they are so easy..
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    He is so easy to get upset.


    Appears to me, you are the who gets so upset! Funny really, you go on because they bait you. They are the corn pile, you are the deer! Don



    Not ..[:)] they are so easy..



    Nah! What else ya got? Don
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