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People that complain about new cartridges
shootuadeal
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Why do people complain about new cartridges?
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
I think new cartridges are fun, I realize you only need 3 guns: a .22, 30-06, and 12ga. So they should just eliminate all other calibers because they aren't needed or wanted.
Here is a breakdown of alot of the newer calibers I did awhile back:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=431694&SearchTerms=caliber
Just remember if you think a new cartridge is "uneeded" or "dumb", doesn't mean that it is. It is just your opinion.[B)]
BTW, I stock all the wssm's and WSM's, 327 Fed, 5.7X28mm, 6.8 SPC, .204(my highest selling ammunition BTW), 308 Marlin, ETC...I also stock 250 & 300 Sav, .264 win mag, .225 win, 45-70, 17 rem and several other that their time has pasted.
To each there own, some of the calibers invented this decade are PROVEN WINNERS and you don't have to automatically comdemn all new calibers as "uneccasary", I think you entire industry would be stagnant and there would be nothing to get excited about if there wasn't new firearms/calibers out every year. How many times can you debate what is better, the .270 or the 30-06.
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
I think new cartridges are fun, I realize you only need 3 guns: a .22, 30-06, and 12ga. So they should just eliminate all other calibers because they aren't needed or wanted.
Here is a breakdown of alot of the newer calibers I did awhile back:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=431694&SearchTerms=caliber
Just remember if you think a new cartridge is "uneeded" or "dumb", doesn't mean that it is. It is just your opinion.[B)]
BTW, I stock all the wssm's and WSM's, 327 Fed, 5.7X28mm, 6.8 SPC, .204(my highest selling ammunition BTW), 308 Marlin, ETC...I also stock 250 & 300 Sav, .264 win mag, .225 win, 45-70, 17 rem and several other that their time has pasted.
To each there own, some of the calibers invented this decade are PROVEN WINNERS and you don't have to automatically comdemn all new calibers as "uneccasary", I think you entire industry would be stagnant and there would be nothing to get excited about if there wasn't new firearms/calibers out every year. How many times can you debate what is better, the .270 or the 30-06.
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I need some 9.3x54R ammo. You got any?[:D]
Negative, I do have 458 win mag and 458 Lott though[:)]
I realize you only need 3 guns: a .22, 30-06, and 12ga.
Add a 357 Mag and a 45 ACP and the list would be complete (and also cover my entire collection).[:)][:)]
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
I need some 9.3x54R ammo. You got any?[:D]
Negative, I do have 458 win mag and 458 Lott though[:)]
I meant 9.3x57R anyways.[:)]
One request, one negative. So, let's try request no. two..
Hey, Shoot..'ya got any factory Remington .22 Jet?
Thus far, after all the hoopla..
One request, one negative. So, let's try request no. two..
Hey, Shoot..'ya got any factory Remington .22 Jet?
If I have someone in the area that shot it, I would have it. Likewise, if there were new guns available in the caliber I would probably have the ammo in stock. As far as I know no one is currently chambering the 22 Rem. Jet.
This thread wasn't about what ammo I have in stock, Obviously I don't have every caliber ever invented in stock. No Hoopla either, just saying that not all new calibers are bad and that I have in stock, like most gun stores, most of the newer calibers. I am sorry if some people only shop for ammo at walmart so they are afraid they can't find 270 WSM ammo[;)]
But I love learning so new stuff peaks my intrest but unfortunately not my buying unless it becomes popular.
Do you have the NEW cartridge 300 super eargosplittinloudenboomer?
Normally yes[;)]
"What's it for?" If it has a purpose...on the issue of a new caliber/cartridge/gun combination, the next one is:
"What does it do any better, or even as well...as one that's been there for years?"
All too often, the answer to the first question is: "To sell!"
and the answer to the second is: "Nothin' really. It's just neat-o."
Then, once we've been lured into plunkin' down our long green on the "Neat-o" thing...we discover that it really isn't all that much, and that something that we already had does the job at least as well, if not a bit better than the latest/greatest.
When the difference in performance is imperceptible either by the target or shooter, why invest the money?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
.45, .30-06, and 12 guage.
So I can do self defense, big game, and upland/small game/turkey.
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
It is hardly new. And your post does nothing to diminish the legitimacy of the statement.
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
It is hardly new. And your post does nothing to diminish the legitimacy of the statement.
Harsh, DWS!!!
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
It is hardly new. And your post does nothing to diminish the legitimacy of the statement.
Harsh, DWS!!!
Sorry, I'm retaining water today.
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
It is hardly new. And your post does nothing to diminish the legitimacy of the statement.
Harsh, DWS!!!
Sorry, I'm retaining water today.
I thought you were right on target with your post.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Thus far, after all the hoopla..
One request, one negative. So, let's try request no. two..
Hey, Shoot..'ya got any factory Remington .22 Jet?
The first time I didn't see 22 Rem Jet on a shelf at the local big sporting stores, I bought 1,000 unfired brass. I'm set for life.
Same for the .264 and the .225
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
This at a time when the sale of hunting licenses is diminishing. At one time I had nearly 30 hunting rifles for normally one deer and hopefully one elk. Rarely did I hunt with anything but a 30/06 and on occasion a 300 H&H magnum.
Take a look at how many people criticize the .327 Federal Magnum and how many people criticize 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC. The latter two have far fewer critics than the former.
It's all about perception. Make the end user feel like a spec ops warrior and he'll sing the cartridge's praises until the cows come home.
Could not get along without this cartridge! [:D]
Why do people complain about new cartridges?
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
I think new cartridges are fun, I realize you only need 3 guns: a .22, 30-06, and 12ga. So they should just eliminate all other calibers because they aren't needed or wanted.
Since (arguably) handguns can be helpful, you might consider adding .45ACP to that list (or .45, .357 and .44 magnum, etc). I can also think of a few other rounds you might "need", say if you want to go hunting in Africa (where .30-06 isn't legal on big game) or try extreme distance shooting.
Anyway, new cartridges are "fun" until their flavor of the month expires, they fall out of favor, and the ammo becomes scarce, astronomically expensive, or even entirely unavailable. That's not a complaint, its an observation.
For example, 5mm rimfire was fun. . .except for that 20+ year period where you couldn't buy any ammo for it! (Or maybe it was MORE fun during that time period?).
.45GAP? Sure. . .its really fun to scour through five gunstores only to pay 30% more per cartridge for a round that's ALMOST as good as a .45ACP you can find on a shelf anywhere.
I could go on, but the point is, there are already a pretty good spectrum of established small arms cartridges out there that will do probably 99.9% of what anyone would need to do with them.
Rounds like .22LR, .38 special, 9mm luger, .45ACP, .30-06, etc have been around for 100+ years each not because of force of habit, but because they WORK. . .ie they fill a real firearms need, and do it well.
I'm not against new rounds. . .its just that its a pretty unusual new one that actually does something better than an already established one. If its not better in some way, why should I bother with it?
People only hate new cartridges that haven't been adopted by the military or designed for and by "operators".
Take a look at how many people criticize the .327 Federal Magnum and how many people criticize 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC. The latter two have far fewer critics than the former.
It's all about perception. Make the end user feel like a spec ops warrior and he'll sing the cartridge's praises until the cows come home.
Apart from (theoretically) letting you cram one more round into a snubnose cylinder, what does .327 magnum actually do for you?
Basically it yields 9mm +P ballistics (similar bullet weight and velocity), just with a smaller "hole". Not that there is anything wrong with those ballistics per se, they're pretty good.
But since .357 magnum ammo (let alone 9mm) is not only more readily available, cheaper per round, and available in a wider variety of configurations (including light bullet weight/low recoil ones) what's the point?
I can see why you might like this round if you're already a fan of .32 caliber revolvers, but for just about everyone else?
Hey, that reminds me, is anyone still shooting the Etronix?
Where wold the shooting world be without the commercially available WSM, Glock45GAP, and Remington Etronics.
Hey, that reminds me, is anyone still shooting the Etronix?
the sole reason that the cartridge was invented was to provide a pistol/SMG round that can penetrate class IIIA body armor. The civvie version is nerfed and CANNOT do the intended specialized role of this round, therefore it is quite useless, especially when one considers the cheaper alternatives when it comes to light plinker/varmint rounds (which is all the 5.7 is without the AP capability of the military ammo)
Apart from (theoretically) letting you cram one more round into a snubnose cylinder, what does .327 magnum actually do for you?
Basically it yields 9mm +P ballistics (similar bullet weight and velocity), just with a smaller "hole". Not that there is anything wrong with those ballistics per se, they're pretty good.
But since .357 magnum ammo (let alone 9mm) is not only more readily available, cheaper per round, and available in a wider variety of configurations (including light bullet weight/low recoil ones) what's the point?
I can see why you might like this round if you're already a fan of .32 caliber revolvers, but for just about everyone else?
Personal preference and variety are the answers. It doesn't have to meet the criteria of wannabe firearms gurus to justify its existence.[;)]
Why do people complain about new cartridges?
The new GB buzz phrase is "it answers a question no one asked"
I think new cartridges are fun, I realize you only need 3 guns: a .22, 30-06, and 12ga. So they should just eliminate all other calibers because they aren't needed or wanted.
Here is a breakdown of alot of the newer calibers I did awhile back:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=431694&SearchTerms=caliber
Just remember if you think a new cartridge is "uneeded" or "dumb", doesn't mean that it is. It is just your opinion.[B)]
BTW, I stock all the wssm's and WSM's, 327 Fed, 5.7X28mm, 6.8 SPC, .204(my highest selling ammunition BTW), 308 Marlin, ETC...I also stock 250 & 300 Sav, .264 win mag, .225 win, 45-70, 17 rem and several other that their time has pasted.
To each there own, some of the calibers invented this decade are PROVEN WINNERS and you don't have to automatically comdemn all new calibers as "uneccasary", I think you entire industry would be stagnant and there would be nothing to get excited about if there wasn't new firearms/calibers out every year. How many times can you debate what is better, the .270 or the 30-06.
I agree with what you got going here. I'm not saying that the WSSM's, 327's, and NAA's are bad. Not even condemning them. I can't figure out why the 327 Federal hasn't done so much better. I even worry about the 357 Sig.
I think the issue is one of longevity. What cartiriges will be WIDELY available in 25 years? Which ones will fall? Who knows. Had a girlfriend tell me that Vanilla Ice would be as big as the Beatles. I don't see her no more either.