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What We're Missing About the Marches

dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭
edited January 2017 in General Discussion
I live in San Francisco - yes, it sucks even worse than being in CA. But last night I was near one of the big "marches" on Market St. I think we're missing a political point and do so at our own peril.

Yes, they are being "spoiled snowflakes" upset their candidate lost. They want to damage the victory. There are alot of goofballs attending being nothing but destructive. But I'll put my political concern in the form of a question:

Is it possible to nominate a SCOTUS Justice who is both pro-gun and pro-choice?

Maybe, but the positions are conventionally viewed as being mutually exclusive, that you can have one or the other but not both. And whatever the nominee is "pro" on they are most likely "anti" toward the other. So as much as we'd like to dismiss them as miscreants and goofballs (as I said lot's of those types attending) they put a few million people in the streets in effect saying "hands off Roe" and with an eye on the upcoming SCOTUS nominee. Do we suppose this will not be noticed by the new President? Consider what lesson was just learned by US Senators like McCain, Graham and Portman - other Senators from less than solid red states.

They want a pro-abortion nominee and we want a pro-2nd Amendment nominee. They just put a few million people in the streets and when the time comes a compliant press will no doubt remind everyone of it. A shot has been fired across our bow and at our pro-2nd Amendment nominee and I'm not sure we even recognize it.

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  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, one can be pro gun and pro choice, however the choice is done before conception. If a supreme court justice is sticking to the constitution, they will not believe the whoo dooo science that a human is not human until it breaths on its own. And for equality all humans need to be protected under the constitution.
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Caveat: All USA citizen humans should be protected by the USA Constitution. Other humans need protections from their respective governments. . [:D]
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mag00
    Yes, one can be pro gun and pro choice, however the choice is done before conception. If a supreme court justice is sticking to the constitution, they will not believe the whoo dooo science that a human is not human until it breaths on its own. And for equality all humans need to be protected under the constitution.


    Or a pro 2nd Amendment Justice may recognize that the killing of a fetus is not a prohibited or protected right, and return the abortion decision to the states where it belongs.

    Th
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am pro gun and pro choice. I don't know why it would be so hard to find a qualified justice who has similar views.
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    I am pro gun and pro choice. I don't know why it would be so hard to find a qualified justice who has similar views.


    Thanks, was wondering the same.
  • fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't care as long as they are pro 2nd. Amendment.
  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I guess the point I kind of sucked at making is that they're out there trying to influence the SCOTUS nominee - and we're what,rehashing whether abortion is a right? For the upcoming political machinations I couldn't care less whether it is or isn't, whether it's wrong or right or immoral or evil. The specific point is irrelevant.

    It's tempting to blow them off as a bunch of sore losers. That was my initial reaction. And I think alot of them are, probably didn't even vote. But they're doing this for a reason.

    Instead of a Clarence Thomas maybe we end up with an Anthony Kennedy, if not this time perhaps when Ginsburg leaves? I don't want that, but that might be the result.
  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gun owners should do all they can to protect the rights of the unborn.
    While the libs are out fighting for abortion, they have less time and money to put to antigun projects. I look forward to the day that some of the abortion survivors have doctors charged with attempted murder.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Used to be pro choice. But since my Great Grand Daughter was born way early. My stance has changed.
  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When they interviewed the protesters it seemed like they were there because the propagandists from the LSM told them too.

    On another note - did a tuna boat crash and burn in the Potomac??
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm Pro-gun and EXTREMELY Pro-choice.
    I simply can not see any reason why being "Pro" on either topic is exclusive of a preference on the other.
    Nor do I see why abortion has to be dragged into EVERY discussion regardless of topic. We all make life choices and live with the results but in some cases, others' "life choices" become OUR burdens for life.
  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While the cows went on the milk go round - Donnie is getting jobs and investments for the USA. richy hates that.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/09/toyota-announced-10-billion-u-s-investment-days-after-trump-warns-company.html

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-08/fiat-chrysler-invest-1-billion-us-add-2000-jobs
    And new ones coming today. Oh woe is me says the DNC scum who are praying for Trumps and the USA's failure like richy the know it all.
    The 10 demonrats up for election better get in line or get tossed out. Voter ID coming too and that will kill a couple million demonrat votes immediately.
    Working USA will kill deadbeat USA AKA the demonrat base.
  • aliasalias Member Posts: 366 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:I'm Pro-gun and EXTREMELY Pro-choice.
    I simply can not see any reason why being "Pro" on either topic is exclusive of a preference on the other.
    Nor do I see why abortion has to be dragged into EVERY discussion regardless of topic. We all make life choices and live with the results but in some cases, others' "life choices" become OUR burdens for life.

    THIS pretty much sums it up. Why do some folks who adamantly insist that one side not tell them how to live insist that they must somehow have the right to force their own particular religious views upon those who don't believe the same way. Don't we tell the anti-gun people "don't want one, don't buy one"? Why can't some on our side of that argument take the same advice to heart when it comes to life choices made by people outside our own individual spheres of influence? As has been pointed out so succinctly above, quite often those "life choices" some argue should be preserved at all cost become OUR lifetime burden. Ferguson, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington D.C. and the recent marches should serve as ample proof of that. I, too, see no reason why the two topics should be mutually exclusive.
  • DPHMINDPHMIN Member Posts: 946 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    Used to be pro choice. But since my Great Grand Daughter was born way early. My stance has changed.


    Would you like to kill her now? If so, what would be different about killing her in the womb?
  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    Well, I guess the point I kind of sucked at making is that they're out there trying to influence the SCOTUS nominee - and we're what,rehashing whether abortion is a right? For the upcoming political machinations I couldn't care less whether it is or isn't, whether it's wrong or right or immoral or evil. The specific point is irrelevant.

    It's tempting to blow them off as a bunch of sore losers. That was my initial reaction. And I think alot of them are, probably didn't even vote. But they're doing this for a reason.

    Instead of a Clarence Thomas maybe we end up with an Anthony Kennedy, if not this time perhaps when Ginsburg leaves? I don't want that, but that might be the result.




    From what I gather, the reason behind the protests is that they do now realize the problem with supporting a non-viable candidate, or not going out to vote.

    Right now, there appears to be a majority of the electorate who do not support the views of the POTUS, who apparently has pretty high unfavorables for being on a honeymoon, already.

    Both give hope that they can field a candidate who can put the old coalition back together, as both POTUS and many of his supporters will probably age out of the process as demographics shift.

    Leave it to the Don to fails to deliver, or continue to alienate the majority of the electorate, and we'll see what we get in four years.




    I think the goal of these folks is more immediate and no different than ours - who gets sent up to SCOTUS, this year and when Ginsburg and/or Breyer go away. It's easy to dismiss them as a bunch of loons, so many of them are. But if Hillary Clinton had won we sure as hell wouldn't have had a few million pro-gun marchers around the US and if we had, we'd be doing high fives saying "that'll show her".

    We shouldn't underestimate the enemy. I want 2 or three Clarence Thomas or "Machine Gun" Sammy Alito appointments on SCOTUS.
  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is a point we all need to think about with all it's ramifications. I am definately pro gun and neither pro choice or pro life. To me it's the womans decision when it's all said and done. Problem is that if you think the protestors are amdant now, just try to overturn Rowe versus Wade. Does anyone remember what happened when Bill Clinton tried to push gun control? We hammered him and took over the congress because we were determined in out cause. Women are the same way about abortion and while I am not particularly comfortable with it, we have to face the fact that it is a deal breaker with women and a lot of men and it may well be our downfall. You have to look at the big picture.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    Their convictions are not supposed to matter. Their understanding of the law is.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a moral problem with abortion especially late term. But what really bothers me is This. Why in the hell should I be required to pay for somebody else's sexual misdeeds. It really makes me mad that my government is using my money to promote somebody else's sexual mistakes,
    Especially when the man who caused it is out trying to sell drugs to my grand kids.
    We pay the government. The Democrat party helps pass laws to support planned parenthood. Planned parenthood contributes to the Democrat party. This goes on with lots of other organizations also. It is called a political slush fund.
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