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OOOps! Someone did not check there Flight Rules
FrancF
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I Could not figure what all the racket was outside. I go out and I see this F-111 buzzing this little Cessna. This Airforce jet looked like it was in full attack mode Rolling and circling around the little plane till it veered off.
Turns out Obama and Airforce one were ready to takeoff From Moffet Field (60 miles away) enrute to Burbank CA. I later found out that F-111 sweeps a huge swath around Airforce one at all times when in flight.
Turns out Obama and Airforce one were ready to takeoff From Moffet Field (60 miles away) enrute to Burbank CA. I later found out that F-111 sweeps a huge swath around Airforce one at all times when in flight.
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Seems the Fed's trying to save money then and not sending up F-16s, F-22s, F-117s.
Oh yeah, never mind I recall what happened w/the 111s. DUH[B)]
They're using an antiquated bomber to protect the POTUS' plane.
Seems the Fed's trying to save money then and not sending up F-16s, F-22s, F-117s.
Oh yeah, never mind I recall what happened w/the 111s. DUH[B)]
From the news paper photo it looks more like an F-15 and a Bi-plane.[:D] I could not see them that close. So my guess on the plane type was incorrect.
But still, this is a threat?[:D]
He was the real deal. The kind of guy who had to climb to altitude in order to make his landing approach.
Unfortunately, while he was executing lazy 8's at our request (he couldn't be talked into barrel rolls or loops etc) we strayed just a bit too close to the Space Shuttle hangar.
Even in the '80s, an F-4 was a bit stale. But climbing up out of the Indian River basin after scrambling from Patrick, it was an impressive sight.
Cool Colonel cussed all the way back to Patrick that he had lost track of where the restricted space was. They warned once. But I'm sure they were already on the way before the first radio call. The second instruction to make an immediate turn was more to keep us from crapping our britches when they flew by than anything else.
Stories for the grandkids.
Looks like an F-15 in the photo. The F-22s just returned to flight last week or the week before.
The last F-111 actively flown by the USAF was retired in 1998. The Aussies retired their last one in Dec 2010. The only one I know of that was in use was in cold climate test cell at Eglin AFB.
Looks like an F-15 in the photo.
That's what I think as well. While my view was poor of what was going on from the distance, I could not define the second tail wing on the jet and the Bi-plane was unidentifiable and just figured it was a cessna. The Jet from the profile looked like a swing wing.
quote:Originally posted by scrumpyjack
The last F-111 actively flown by the USAF was retired in 1998. The Aussies retired their last one in Dec 2010. The only one I know of that was in use was in cold climate test cell at Eglin AFB.
Looks like an F-15 in the photo.
That's what I think as well. While my view was poor of what was going on from the distance, I could not define the second tailwing and the Bi-plane. The Jet from the profile looked like a swing wing.
Swing wing, twin tail.
you requesting a fly by, Maverick?
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by scrumpyjack
The last F-111 actively flown by the USAF was retired in 1998. The Aussies retired their last one in Dec 2010. The only one I know of that was in use was in cold climate test cell at Eglin AFB.
Looks like an F-15 in the photo.
That's what I think as well. While my view was poor of what was going on from the distance, I could not define the second tailwing and the Bi-plane. The Jet from the profile looked like a swing wing.
Swing wing, twin tail.
you requesting a fly by, Maverick?
Na,[:D] we have enough air traffic with SFO, SJO, Moffet field etc.[:D]
and Air Shows. You never know what you will see. My house is under a flight path super Hwy.
I wonder if the Cessna was a left over from the Salinas Air Show who got lost? Also did obama do a fly by at the air show? I mean he does things like that.
[:D][:D]
Turned out to be a Biplane out of Watsonville airport. Did you get to hit the Salinas Air Show this weekend? Figured it might have been a bust from the rain.
Nah. On Saturday I was in San Jose cheking out some Japanese eats from Mitsuwa. They were having some foods from Hokkaido. Not too impressed other than the sticker shock of sale items so I ended up at Lions Market buying a roast duck and half a cuttlefish. Then hit up a couple of aquarium shops. Picked up a good sized Synodontis Angelicus but he's lost in my 125. haven't seen him yet [:D].
And on Sundy I stayed home smoking some pork ribs and saw and heard enough fly bys over my pad in Marina. I think it was clear in Salinas after the fog burned off by late morning. It' really too bad they didn't do a fly by (as in strafing runs through Salinas).
I was kind a curious about Tora, Tora, Tora they were yapping about on the radio at the air show. Were they some sort of Japanese Zero group? I guess I could google it.
Never, have I seen a 60NMR exclusion zone.
Something's off, here. Joe
I've handled many TFR's (temporary flight rules) involving blocked airspace for Air Force One.
Never, have I seen a 60NMR exclusion zone.
Something's off, here. JoeI'm not aware of the exact location of this incident, but according to the posted account AF1 was about to be traveling from Moffett Field to Burbank.
Could it have been that this little airplane was in an exclusion zone along this planned flight path?
Their fighters have fixed, swept wings, as does the Navy's newest, the F-18E/F Super Hornet, and the older F-18A/B/C/D Hornets.
The Navy jets have wings which fold while on the deck in order to save space on the carrier, but actual "swing wings" which can be swept back in flight for great speed, or moved forward for greater stability at low speeds are no longer in vogue. The hydraulics involved and the associated maintenance issues got to be too much to handle. Also it became a natural weak point for the wing.
There may be other factors as well which I don't know about.
There may be other factors as well which I don't know about.
A bunch more really important stuff to worry about getting holes punched in?
Actually giving out such information could be counter-productive.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
AF1 always has a number of escorts. You may not see them when AF1 flies by, but they are nearby and can get close fast when they light the fires. Just in case someone decides to try a midair intentionally. In this case, I don't think the threat was too great for a biplane to catch up to a 747.[:D] But, something like an executive jet could pose a valid threat. Yes, the escorts do have permission to shoot down civilian planes if they don't veer off. I wouldn't knowingly play chicken with them. [:D]
Bigoutside, as another former O-2 FAC later assigned to Patrick and also as a former Space Shuttle program worker at KSC, your tale made me smile. Thanks.
[:D][:D]It made me smile remembering it
Cool Colonel cussed all the way back to Patrick that he had lost track of where the restricted space was. They warned once. But I'm sure they were already on the way before the first radio call. The second instruction to make an immediate turn was more to keep us from crapping our britches when they flew by than anything else.
How do they contact you on the radio? Is there a specific frequency you are supposed to guard while you are flying now? It has been so long since I have flown that I have never had a bi-annual flight review. What if you don't have a radio, is that a requirement now?
I also have a glider rating & have flown ultra-lights & hang gliders & never had a radio in any of them.
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
Cool Colonel cussed all the way back to Patrick that he had lost track of where the restricted space was. They warned once. But I'm sure they were already on the way before the first radio call. The second instruction to make an immediate turn was more to keep us from crapping our britches when they flew by than anything else.
How do they contact you on the radio? Is there a specific frequency you are supposed to guard while you are flying now? It has been so long since I have flown that I have never had a bi-annual flight review. What if you don't have a radio, is that a requirement now?
I also have a glider rating & have flown ultra-lights & hang gliders & never had a radio in any of them.
I leave mine on 122.8 unless I am under radar control.