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quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Moved to Iowa from MN. I did mason and concrete work there. I'm an electrician now because the illegals dragged the concrete industry down the poopter around Omaha, and it doesn't pay anything.
quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Me personally, no. But there are a lot of people on welfare who would make good ditchdiggers when we cut them off of welfare.
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Me personally, no. But there are a lot of people on welfare who would make good ditchdiggers when we cut them off of welfare.
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
quote:Originally posted by rossowmn
quote:Originally posted by Reaper1862
You had me until #6.
Had me until No. 6, too. The problem is those who determine merit are often in themselves incompetent. Who among us hasn't had a boss who would show favoritism if given the opportunity?[xx(]
It's funny how the only people who still support labor unions are those in them, or those in bed with them. Labor unions have driven manufacturing out of this country because they negotiated such high paying salaries for UNSKILLED labor....I don't care what anybody has to say pushing a button on a machine to press a piece of sheet metal into a form is not skilled labor. Auto workers, airline ramp employees, etc. You can train anybody to do those jobs you should not have to pay them like they are a skilled tradesman.
Is a carpenter a skilled laborer? How about a electrician, or a master machineist, mill wright, boiler maker, iron worker (you know, the crazy ones who build sky scapers) sheet metal worker, crain operators (not the little toy ones, the BIG ones), lineman, DCS/PLC techs, E and I techs, any of them skilled labor??? They all are! And all have unions! All of them have served appenticeships, which takes 4 or 5 years to learn their trade. And no, you cant train just anybody to do most of these jobs!
If you're skilled tradesman and can't find a decent job without using a union, I think that speaks volume about your skill.
I have and can do just fine without a union. I CHOOSE to be union. I like haveing a written set of work rules that both sides agree to and cant be changed on a whim or when the boss is haveing a pissy day!
Back when I was in contruction I also enjoyed working for different contractors. Some specialize in different things and I enjoy learning new things. You dont see that much in non-union. The system that unions contractors use ia like this. First the worker signs the waiting for work book. When a call comes in from a contrator the guy at the top of the book gets to go to work. If hes a lazy POS the contractor has the right to lay him off, and one day later get some one else off the book. thats how the unions make sure you are productive. If you are a lazy POS you are always on the book, and after awhile the word gets out about you and you never work any good jobs for any length of time.
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I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Moved to Iowa from MN. I did mason and concrete work there. I'm an electrician now because the illegals dragged the concrete industry down the poopter around Omaha, and it doesn't pay anything.
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Me personally, no. But there are a lot of people on welfare who would make good ditchdiggers when we cut them off of welfare.
quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I'm sick of it, I'm sick and tired of seeing our country screw itself into an even deeper hole. This country needs to pull back and take care of ourselves. Our nation is in dire straits and no one wants to do what we need to do. We need to fix our own problems and not everyone's problems. I want a presidential candidate who will run on this agenda.
1. Cut Foreign Aid.
2. Bring our military home and secure our borders.
3. Ship out all illegal immigrants. This should free up a lot of jobs.
4. Work towards truly transitioning ourselves off our dependency for foreign oil. And until then start O.C.E.C. Organization of the Corn Exporting Countries. Every time the price of oil goes up so does the price of grain. They can't eat sand and oil.
5. If you're on welfare you're taking monthly drug tests. If you're able bodied and on welfare, welcome to the US military.
Free them up for whom? Have you ever seen an illegal doing a job you felt you should have?
Me personally, no. But there are a lot of people on welfare who would make good ditchdiggers when we cut them off of welfare.
Maybe if you ditch minimum wage laws.
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
quote:Originally posted by rossowmn
quote:Originally posted by Reaper1862
You had me until #6.
Had me until No. 6, too. The problem is those who determine merit are often in themselves incompetent. Who among us hasn't had a boss who would show favoritism if given the opportunity?[xx(]
It's funny how the only people who still support labor unions are those in them, or those in bed with them. Labor unions have driven manufacturing out of this country because they negotiated such high paying salaries for UNSKILLED labor....I don't care what anybody has to say pushing a button on a machine to press a piece of sheet metal into a form is not skilled labor. Auto workers, airline ramp employees, etc. You can train anybody to do those jobs you should not have to pay them like they are a skilled tradesman.
Is a carpenter a skilled laborer? How about a electrician, or a master machineist, mill wright, boiler maker, iron worker (you know, the crazy ones who build sky scapers) sheet metal worker, crain operators (not the little toy ones, the BIG ones), lineman, DCS/PLC techs, E and I techs, any of them skilled labor??? They all are! And all have unions! All of them have served appenticeships, which takes 4 or 5 years to learn their trade. And no, you cant train just anybody to do most of these jobs!
If you're skilled tradesman and can't find a decent job without using a union, I think that speaks volume about your skill.
I have and can do just fine without a union. I CHOOSE to be union. I like haveing a written set of work rules that both sides agree to and cant be changed on a whim or when the boss is haveing a pissy day!
Back when I was in contruction I also enjoyed working for different contractors. Some specialize in different things and I enjoy learning new things. You dont see that much in non-union. The system that unions contractors use ia like this. First the worker signs the waiting for work book. When a call comes in from a contrator the guy at the top of the book gets to go to work. If hes a lazy POS the contractor has the right to lay him off, and one day later get some one else off the book. thats how the unions make sure you are productive. If you are a lazy POS you are always on the book, and after awhile the word gets out about you and you never work any good jobs for any length of time.