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UPDATE: JFK: Newly released top secret documents
kimi
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This story goes back to, perhaps, the most popular or believable conspiracy claim at the time that Russia was behind the JFK assassination:
Newly released top secret documents may show that Russia was behind the assassination of JFK
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/27/newly-released-top-secret-documents-may-show-that-russia-was-be/23053146/
ADDED:
Watch the following three videos, one an animation of the killing and the other two being parts of a recreation of the shots:
JFK Assassination Computer Animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrzCGVi3_E
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 1)
https://ruclip.com/video/9RCX3RdVHqo/jfk-assassination-head-shot-recreation-part-1.html
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RX2phbWmgA
Newly released top secret documents may show that Russia was behind the assassination of JFK
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/27/newly-released-top-secret-documents-may-show-that-russia-was-be/23053146/
ADDED:
Watch the following three videos, one an animation of the killing and the other two being parts of a recreation of the shots:
JFK Assassination Computer Animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrzCGVi3_EJFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 1)
https://ruclip.com/video/9RCX3RdVHqo/jfk-assassination-head-shot-recreation-part-1.html
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RX2phbWmgA What's next?
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That article didn't give any information that has'nt already Been released
That's very true, but show me an article, by date, about this specific subject that anyone but old farts or conspiracy aficionados are familiar with. I'm not saying that you can't find a recent one...but I don't recall anyone putting this notion forward in ages...ymmv.
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
funny how the conspiracy surfaces blaming whatever country we are having a tiff with at the time
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
I agree. The fact remains the Oswald-Russian connection was the very first and biggest story regarding the killing of JFK, as I recall. What do you recall on this note, Dan?
Somewhere, there is somebody with convincing (to him) "proof" that Elvis did it.
That! Or Bullwinkle...no s***! [:D]
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
funny how the conspiracy surfaces blaming whatever country we are having a tiff with at the time
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
I agree. The fact remains the Oswald-Russian connection was the very first and biggest story regarding the killing of JFK, as I recall. What do you recall on this note, Dan?
i wasn't born yet, but back to my original theory, we where in the height of the cold war then and thought war was eminent with Russia and Cuba
this is one of many things that make me leary of our own government propaganda to get us to back them, wmd's 20 years ago, now north korea has a missile that can hit chicago when 6 months ago they couldn't get one out of their own waters
The decision to travel in an open air automobile put the bull's-eye right on JFK's head.
Neal
Bill & Hillary were too young to buy a gun, so we can't blame them.
Neal
no but they killed jfk jr.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Conspiracy-theorist-claims-Hillary-Clinton-murdered-John-F-Kennedy-Jnr-planning-run-senate-seat-shocking-new-book.html
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
funny how the conspiracy surfaces blaming whatever country we are having a tiff with at the time
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
I agree. The fact remains the Oswald-Russian connection was the very first and biggest story regarding the killing of JFK, as I recall. What do you recall on this note, Dan?
i wasn't born yet, but back to my original theory, we where in the height of the cold war then and thought war was eminent with Russia and Cuba
this is one of many things that make me leary of our own government propaganda to get us to back them, wmd's 20 years ago, now north korea has a missile that can hit chicago when 6 months ago they couldn't get one out of their own waters
Here's the story of the day as I recall - forget about JFK, Cuba, and all of the conspiracies surrounding the assassination for a moment. Oswald, still in the Marines in 1959 and stationed in Japan where our U-2 flights over Russia originated. He gets discharged from the Marines in 1959 and defects to Russia post haste. Gary Powers gets shot down over Russia in his U-2 while between 70 to 80,000 feet over Russia. Word has it that the knowledge that Oswald had enabled the Russians to fix their anti-aircraft fire/rockets at the right altitude, and bang...the first U-2 was shot out of the sky. Plain and simple, Oswald was a Marine rifleman Sharpshooter, which is to say that he was a good shot with the very best typical military training available to military men. You can take it from there as to what happened after Oswald returned to the states, but all eyes were initially on a potential Russia-Oswald conspiracy, and for good reason - somehow these facts are seldom discussed. Once everybody and their brother got in on the story, to include, Zapruder, everybody and their brother was more confused than ever. Basically, in the beginning the primary belief was that Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, and now after all of the above and every possible scenario one can imagine, the lone assassin idea has once again gained a big following. I have often doubted the lone shooter theory, but I always go back to it as the most plausible possibility.
they claim his shots where impossible, 3 shots fired at 75yards in 4.8 to 5.6 seconds
i have found that this time is an eternity and put to an actual timer is no problem at all for anyone that would practice such shooting
ever wonder why women are better shots out of the box than men ?
because we overthink it all
do you consider yourself a good driver ?
but do you have the heightened senses it takes a nascar driver to do it at 200mph?
not a bolt action, but this is 11 shots @ 100yrds in 3.4 seconds 4" group i did after sighting the gun in just for fun {on a timer}
thats .309 seconds per shot, take that down to 3 shots and 2 bolt cycles 5.6 seconds is an eternity
FLAME AWAY G.B. [:D]
i too used to believe there was a conspiracy until i got heavy into competition and learned how heightened the senses can be trained and that there is no such thing as "the perfect sight picture"
they claim his shots where impossible, 3 shots fired at 75yards in 4.8 to 5.6 seconds
i have found that this time is an eternity and put to an actual timer is no problem at all for anyone that would practice such shooting
ever wonder why women are better shots out of the box than men ?
because we overthink it all
do you consider yourself a good driver ?
but do you have the heightened senses it takes a nascar driver to do it at 200mph?
not a bolt action, but this is 11 shots @ 100yrds in 3.4 seconds 4" group i did after sighting the gun in just for fun {on a timer}
thats .309 seconds per shot, take that down to 3 shots and 2 bolt cycles 5.6 seconds is an eternity
FLAME AWAY G.B. [:D]
[;)] There ya go! I don't know the actual time it took him to fire three shots, but I'd think it was around 6 to 7 seconds, maybe not though.
People who talk about how he couldn't shoot that fast, and present it as fact, really aggravate me. Any country boy that spends any time with his rifle can shoot a bolt gun that fast and hit a slow moving target the size of a man's head.
Being influenced by doctrine and associating with like minded people doesn't mean these people where a part of the assassination. Oswald had his reasons, associating with these people very well may have influenced his thinking and contributed to his actions. That doesn't make them responsible or a part of it. They may have been, but someone needs to prove it.
People who talk about how he couldn't shoot that fast, and present it as fact, really aggravate me. Any country boy that spends any time with his rifle can shoot a bolt gun that fast and hit a slow moving target the size of a man's head.
You're so [:D]right! I mean it was stone coincidence Oswald was a recent hire at TSBD!!!!
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
funny how the conspiracy surfaces blaming whatever country we are having a tiff with at the time
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
I agree. The fact remains the Oswald-Russian connection was the very first and biggest story regarding the killing of JFK, as I recall. What do you recall on this note, Dan?
i wasn't born yet, but back to my original theory, we where in the height of the cold war then and thought war was eminent with Russia and Cuba
this is one of many things that make me leary of our own government propaganda to get us to back them, wmd's 20 years ago, now north korea has a missile that can hit chicago when 6 months ago they couldn't get one out of their own waters
I am guessing you forgot about the chemical weapons that we found in Saddam's bunkers? Yes Chemical weapons are considered WMD.
North Korea has been testing rockets and designs for a long time, and have been getting their hands on technology from more developed nations. Eventually they were going to figure it out. A country that is determined to do something can do it...don't forget the P-51 Mustang was designed and flown in less than 120 days and it could go from London to Berlin and back!
That all being said yes I do agree with your basic argument that our GOVT, republican or democrat run, has no problems twisting half truths to push an agenda...its par for the course for them.[:D]
It is the fatal head shot that blew back in the supposed shooter's direction that keeps me on the more than one shooter list.
The "magic" bullet is one thing but a boomerang bullet just don't cut the mustard!
The end. x2
I have no doubt that Oswald could do the three shots within the range accurately.
It is the fatal head shot that blew back in the supposed shooter's direction that keeps me on the more than one shooter list.
The "magic" bullet is one thing but a boomerang bullet just don't cut the mustard!
Pretty basic anatomy and physic principles involved. The explanation is available if you want to know, if you don't, it doesn't matter.
Somewhere, there is somebody with convincing (to him) "proof" that Elvis did it.
Not True Rocky![:(!] And I don't know why you would allege such. I talked with Elis last week and he had nothing to do with it. He was visiting friends in Sandpoint at the time.
I have no doubt that Oswald could do the three shots within the range accurately.
It is the fatal head shot that blew back in the supposed shooter's direction that keeps me on the more than one shooter list.
The "magic" bullet is one thing but a boomerang bullet just don't cut the mustard!
Watch the following three videos, one an animation of the killing and the other two being parts of a recreation of the shots:
JFK Assassination Computer Animation
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 1)
https://ruclip.com/video/9RCX3RdVHqo/jfk-assassination-head-shot-recreation-part-1.html
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 2)
quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
Somewhere, there is somebody with convincing (to him) "proof" that Elvis did it.
Not True Rocky![:(!] And I don't know why you would allege such. I talked with Elis last week and he had nothing to do with it. He was visiting friends in Sandpoint at the time.
Agree Rocky...Elvis and Bullwinkle were having coffee together at Graceland and were overheard agreeing that Wiley Coyote finally made a score!
The kiddies crossed daddies deal with the mob.
The end. x2
Don't piss off Sinatra
They were convinced it was the KKK or some similar group.
Everyone was stunned when it turned out to be a Communist. That may be why so many conspiracy theories have cropped up as many still refuse to believe what happened.
In the beginning the media went all out blaming right wing fanatics.
They were convinced it was the KKK or some similar group.
Everyone was stunned when it turned out to be a Communist. That may be why so many conspiracy theories have cropped up as many still refuse to believe what happened.
Momentarily stunned, perhaps, but it all made good sense once the story spread.
Texans let it be known that they did not want him in the state. Oswald was also a Texan. As I recall, this feeling and news was so strong that he was advised not to go there.
quote:Originally posted by mjrfd99
The kiddies crossed daddies deal with the mob.
The end. x2
Don't piss off Sinatra
And Ruby -mob connected -offed the shooter.
The one they caught. [;)]
I have no doubt that Oswald could do the three shots within the range accurately.
It is the fatal head shot that blew back in the supposed shooter's direction that keeps me on the more than one shooter list.
The "magic" bullet is one thing but a boomerang bullet just don't cut the mustard!
Dead, they will accuse an innocent of the deed, the guilty one hidden in the misty copse.
Go figure.
I'm surprised the media hasn't pinned it on Bush or Trump.
[:)]
Give them and the progressive politicians a little more time and they will have Trump and America bogged down in nation building again like the world has never seen.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
funny how the conspiracy surfaces blaming whatever country we are having a tiff with at the time
Russia
Cuba
Israel
inside the U.S.
CIA
Mafia
secret service
Lyndon B. Johnson
New Orleans
and dont forget UFO Aliens
I agree. The fact remains the Oswald-Russian connection was the very first and biggest story regarding the killing of JFK, as I recall. What do you recall on this note, Dan?
i wasn't born yet, but back to my original theory, we where in the height of the cold war then and thought war was eminent with Russia and Cuba
this is one of many things that make me leary of our own government propaganda to get us to back them, wmd's 20 years ago, now north korea has a missile that can hit chicago when 6 months ago they couldn't get one out of their own waters
Here's the story of the day as I recall - forget about JFK, Cuba, and all of the conspiracies surrounding the assassination for a moment. Oswald, still in the Marines in 1959 and stationed in Japan where our U-2 flights over Russia originated. He gets discharged from the Marines in 1959 and defects to Russia post haste. Gary Powers gets shot down over Russia in his U-2 while between 70 to 80,000 feet over Russia. Word has it that the knowledge that Oswald had enabled the Russians to fix their anti-aircraft fire/rockets at the right altitude, and bang...the first U-2 was shot out of the sky. Plain and simple, Oswald was a Marine rifleman Sharpshooter, which is to say that he was a good shot with the very best typical military training available to military men. You can take it from there as to what happened after Oswald returned to the states, but all eyes were initially on a potential Russia-Oswald conspiracy, and for good reason - somehow these facts are seldom discussed. Once everybody and their brother got in on the story, to include, Zapruder, everybody and their brother was more confused than ever. Basically, in the beginning the primary belief was that Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, and now after all of the above and every possible scenario one can imagine, the lone assassin idea has once again gained a big following. I have often doubted the lone shooter theory, but I always go back to it as the most plausible possibility.
Yes, indeed he did all by himself. Nobody helped him. Not only JFK, he shot to death police officer J. D. Tippet, and attempted to kill General Edwin Walker, missing him by inches at Walker's Dallas home. The morning after the attempt on Walkers life, the FBI agent who was assigned to keep track of Oswald was ordered to go to the residence where Oswald was staying and check. Oswald was out, his wife Marina was there and she said that Lee Harvey had come home at daybreak and confessed to her that he had taken a shot at Walker. Her exact words were, "Oh, my crazy crazy husband." The bullet which drove the police office'rs uniform button almost thru his body was matched to the .38 Special revolver found on Oswald at his arrest.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
That article didn't give any information that has'nt already Been released
That's very true, but show me an article, by date, about this specific subject that anyone but old farts or conspiracy aficionados are familiar with. I'm not saying that you can't find a recent one...but I don't recall anyone putting this notion forward in ages...ymmv.
I'm not going to go searching for a more recent article, but then again I'm not going to go searching for a recent article that says that it has been discovered that the world is round not flat.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
That article didn't give any information that has'nt already Been released
That's very true, but show me an article, by date, about this specific subject that anyone but old farts or conspiracy aficionados are familiar with. I'm not saying that you can't find a recent one...but I don't recall anyone putting this notion forward in ages...ymmv.
I'm not going to go searching for a more recent article, but then again I'm not going to go searching for a recent article that says that it has been discovered that the world is round not flat.
I wouldn't either, nor did I think you would.