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Computer crashed

gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
last week! It sucks. Come on a week with no GunBroker not to mention E-mail.






Oh yea we lost everything on it but it was 10 years old and the important stuff was updated on our laptop which was lent to the in-laws for a few days.[V]

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  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think my hard drive is froze up on my computer. When I turn it on it doesn't boot up right. When I click on the start button and put the curser over the programs link, nothing is there at all. It doesn't show anything . I am on my wifes computer to get help. How do I start up in safe mode?
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    See you all in a few days
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had to sneak over to the neighbors to post this !!! Our computer crashed a few nights ago & it's at the shop.
    Just wanted to let those who asked ( Don't tell but I checked e-mail too [;)][;)]) .......
    Everything is ok & if I keep the coffee going & the remote in his hand the shakes & DT's are pretty good !!! [:0][:0][:0]


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  • buckstarbuckstar Member Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    I think my hard drive is froze up on my computer. When I turn it on it doesn't boot up right. When I click on the start button and put the curser over the programs link, nothing is there at all. It doesn't show anything . I am on my wifes computer to get help. How do I start up in safe mode?


    Tap [F8] repeatedly during the beginning of the boot.
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I tried that so I guess I'm off to the computer store on Monday for parts or a newer computer.

    What would be a good new computer to look for and what kind of speeds should I be looking for?
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    I'll confess to being a bit confused...

    Your post would lead me to believe that you've gone beyond the initial Windows splash screen and are actually seeing the desktop. If I'm correct here, then your machine has booted.

    The fact that you can point with your mouse would then lead me to question whether the control buttons on the mouse are working. Simply point at whatever icon you wish to open and hit the <enter> key on your keyboard to check.

    If this works, then it's simply a bad mouse in all likelihood. If this doesn't work then do as suggested in a previous post and hit F8 repeatedly as the machine comes up from a cold start. Select "Safe Mode" and see what happens. If the mouse works properly and the machine boots into Safe Mode, then you'll be able to run "tools" from the start menu. Just remember that if you can get to this point there isn't all that much wrong with your machine.

    On the other hand, if you can't boot and if I've misunderstood your post, then there is a problem. Generally I share with my clients the following:

    If your machine has reached the age of about three years, it's obsolete enough to consider replacement. Even if there exists no physical problem and possibly only a corrupt operating system my opinion holds. The time taken to diagnose and to set up the machine back to a usable state (if you pay a tech) will nearly equal the cost of a brand new PC.

    For a somewhat newer PC it's still a roll of the dice. Depending on whether you made a system rescue disk when the machine was new or depending on the recovery media supplied with the machine, you'll possibly be able to replace a drive fairly easily should it have failed. The same being the case for a motherboard as drivers are included. Just remember that motherboards take memory and your old modules need to be compatible or you'll replace with new.

    If you've neglected to make recovery CD's or have misplaced recovery media, then it's a different game. Unless you're a tech and have the components and skills necessary to totally rebuild a system you'll either pay roughly the equivalent of a new machine in repairs or you'll simply replace with a better machine for about the same outlay.

    It's hard to get used to the idea of throwing a perfectly good (but broken) machine into the trash for want of a good OS. On the other hand when the cost of recovery equals the cost of a new system, then there really is no choice.
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I second nord except for replacing the computer. Sometimes you just have to re-install windows. It happens. Plus, buying a new harddrive for $50-$100 and re-installing windows in most likely going to solve 85% of computer issues. Far less money too. I keep a desktop 5 years, but a laptop I keep 3 years. I can't work on laps like I can desktops, so I tend to send them on their way sooner.
  • buckstarbuckstar Member Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way GJ, but I kept my reply very short and simple because the description you provided made it really hard to determine what the problem was. I think that if you want to get your same computer up and running again you will probably have to get someone to physically look at it. If you have any friends that are good at fixing computers I'd say it's time to contact one of them. If you lived near me I wouldn't mind looking at it but it's unlikely that you are in the same area.

    If you settle on a replacement computer or buying a new hard DISK drive to re-install windows to there is an inexpensive device that you can get that will allow you to take the files off of an otherwise dead computer and send them to your new one via the USB port.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.ehow.com/how_4443617_test-hard-drive-computer.html
    EHow is a man friend figuring out problems on about anything
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry that I was so brief in my description of my problems.

    My computer will not boot at all, even in safe mode. Nothing, no mouse, no desktoop, just the options of booting from safe mode, Last known good configure etc., and I tried them all and nothing boots it up. I think the harddrive is toast. No signal found and it goes back to the black screen with the boot up options again.

    I agree about buying new after 3 or 4 years of use.
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Either controller or HDD failure. Most likely the latter.

    If you have recovery media, then a new HDD isn't out of the question. If not, then it's probably time to consider replacement of the machine.

    But you already knew that.[;)]
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,566 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    I tried that so I guess I'm off to the computer store on Monday for parts or a newer computer.

    What would be a good new computer to look for and what kind of speeds should I be looking for?


    Go here they have a store in the villages
    http://www.refreshcomputers.net/
    We got one from them a few monthes back all of their computers are the commercal grade
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Gary, Looks like HP is there main money makers.
  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    if all you're going to do with it is email, youtube, facebook, gunbroker etc(i.e. light duty internetting) then it doesnt matter what you buy. anything off the shelf at the store will be more than you need. pick the one with the prettiest case, the best price, or whatever factor you want to base it on. you wont find much deviation in off the shelf computer specs to make it even worth the time discussing. everybody is selling pretty much the same product...
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,566 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Their service has been top notch
  • scrumpyjackscrumpyjack Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    Sorry that I was so brief in my description of my problems.

    My computer will not boot at all, even in safe mode. Nothing, no mouse, no desktoop, just the options of booting from safe mode, Last known good configure etc., and I tried them all and nothing boots it up. I think the harddrive is toast. No signal found and it goes back to the black screen with the boot up options again.

    I agree about buying new after 3 or 4 years of use.


    Disconnect power, pop the cover off, reseat RAM and REPLACE CMOS battery. You can tell what battery it is when you get it out. Most likely will be a CR2032. $2.99 spent on a CMOS battery is a heck of a lot cheaper than running right out and spending $499 on a new computer.
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Nope on that one!

    RAM modules being unseated will give an alarm and the machine will have no display. A bad module usually results in the "Blue Screen of Death" either during the boot or at some point when running an application.

    CMOS battery has very little to do with the boot procedure in this case. Since the machine gets to the point where it's actually looking for the boot sector of the HDD I'm reasonably certain that we have a HDD failure.

    As to a replacement machine... My biggest concern is that you'll be purchasing a machine with just as old a drive as your present system. Since you can't tell how many hours are on the drive it's a bit of a crap shoot.

    Quality? Look inside and find that components are all pretty much the same. Some manufacturers attempt to make their equipment look different but it's mostly cosmetic.

    If you're buying used it might be a good idea to pop the hood and look for a good power supply, good cooling fans, and take note of the HDD build date which is stamped on just about every label.
  • ForkliftkingForkliftking Member Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A new decent Toshiba Satellite laptop can be had for around $350 at your local walmart. We have a few of them around here. They seem to work well and take abuse well. I pack one daily to work and back. I have dropped it a few times and it still works great. It is about 3 years old. One piece of advice I will offer is you should buy some quality internet protection from Norton. Some on here will say the free stuff works great but they later post about having computer problems. Since I started buying internet protection, I have yet to have any computer problems at all.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While I am not a computer 'geek', I agree with nord on the HDD.
    Too bad you don't have my setup, as you could fix it quick.

    I bought a USB HDD, and a disc imaging program.
    All I would need to do is install the new drive, boot from the recovery disc for the program to the USB drive, and ALL of my old HDD content is placed on the new drive just as it was.

    No installing programs or OS's.
    Hope you had anything important backed up somewhere,.....I'm sure you did. Good luck![:)]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • TangoSierraTangoSierra Member Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not to hijack the thread, but... my computer did the same thing as gjshaw's did. My son said it was the hard drive also. I'm on a borrowed computer now. Question is, is the data on the old hard drive recoverable? I have business documents and old family photos on it. Thanks for any help.
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TangoSierra
    Not to hijack the thread, but... my computer did the same thing as gjshaw's did. My son said it was the hard drive also. I'm on a borrowed computer now. Question is, is the data on the old hard drive recoverable? I have business documents and old family photos on it. Thanks for any help.


    I asked the same question awhile back. The answer was , how much do you want to spend to get the info back. It was going to be in the hundreds if not thousands. Big gov. has the deep pockets to retrive stuff but you and I are SOL.
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,566 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    quote:Originally posted by TangoSierra
    Not to hijack the thread, but... my computer did the same thing as gjshaw's did. My son said it was the hard drive also. I'm on a borrowed computer now. Question is, is the data on the old hard drive recoverable? I have business documents and old family photos on it. Thanks for any help.


    I asked the same question awhile back. The answer was , how much do you want to spend to get the info back. It was going to be in the hundreds if not thousands. Big gov. has the deep pockets to retrive stuff but you and I are SOL.
    Refresh was able to retreive alot of mine and the price wasn't to bad
  • IAMAHUSKERIAMAHUSKER Member Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like a virus to me.
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I took the computer into the shop this morning and they are looking at it. I will know more tomorrow.

    This looks like it would work for retrieving info from a harddrive.

    http://download.bleepingcomputer.com/grinler/unhide.exe
  • buckstarbuckstar Member Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are getting messages saying that you can attempt to go to safe mode then your only problem is that the operating system has been corrupted. you should be able to fix this with a windows install disk. If you end up getting a new computer or drive to reinstall onto then you can still salvage your files from your old one. I had my buddy get one of these thingies and it got all of his music and pictures from his old drive.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812161002
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