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thwclw
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I recently bought a Romanian Tokarev TTC from Classic Firearms and I'm ashamed to say that I fell for the "Hand Pick" scam for an extra $20 (apiece - total $40 for 2).
I'm convinced that they just grab another one out of the crate, stuff it into a shipping box while snickering about the fool that just gave them an extra $20 for "Hand Pick" service.
I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping.
When we got them, my buddies looked pretty good, so I was kind of pumped - unfortunately, mine was a POS - even though I paid for the Hand Pick service!
Cleaned it up and went to the range to put a few rounds through and and two magazines later, the firing pin broke. I was not real happy.
I emailed them and they just blew me off. It would cost me $137.00 total to send it back so I bought a new firing pin for it.
This is why GunBroker.com is so good! You get to see what it is you will be receiving - and you deal with real people, instead of greedy SOB's who only want to scam an extra dollar out of you.
I uploaded a video review of my experience with Classic Firearms and the "Hand Pick" service to youtube.
See my video
https://youtu.be/c3bn7b9LbCQ and you will know why it's important to buy using GunBroker.com!!
I also show the HORRENDOUS pitting of the Barrel and the broken firing pin - on GunBroker all you have to do is ask if the barrel is in good shape and you dont have to worry about it!
I'm convinced that they just grab another one out of the crate, stuff it into a shipping box while snickering about the fool that just gave them an extra $20 for "Hand Pick" service.
I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping.
When we got them, my buddies looked pretty good, so I was kind of pumped - unfortunately, mine was a POS - even though I paid for the Hand Pick service!
Cleaned it up and went to the range to put a few rounds through and and two magazines later, the firing pin broke. I was not real happy.
I emailed them and they just blew me off. It would cost me $137.00 total to send it back so I bought a new firing pin for it.
This is why GunBroker.com is so good! You get to see what it is you will be receiving - and you deal with real people, instead of greedy SOB's who only want to scam an extra dollar out of you.
I uploaded a video review of my experience with Classic Firearms and the "Hand Pick" service to youtube.
See my video
https://youtu.be/c3bn7b9LbCQ and you will know why it's important to buy using GunBroker.com!!I also show the HORRENDOUS pitting of the Barrel and the broken firing pin - on GunBroker all you have to do is ask if the barrel is in good shape and you dont have to worry about it!
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I have seen a lot of these that are in pretty rough shape. Yours appears to be a nicer one I think. Your buddy might have just gotten really lucky, and yours really WAS the best of 3 or 5 or whatever they pick from. The firing pin breaking was just bad luck. As for the pitted barrel, if you wanted one with a good bore, you should have specified such. Otherwise 'hand pick' usually means externally in decent shape. If you DID tell them that, then I agree- that barrel is pretty ratty and I'd be honked off too.
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, personally, even if I too were a bit suspicious.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to be disappointed. I've bought many surplus guns and I was. Often I was very pleased. I'm just saying it isn't as bad as you make out (I was expecting a dog when I viewed the video) and you get what you pay for. And, hand select or not, what you pay for with a wholesaler is a cheap imported Com-bloc pistol that has been ridden hard and put away wet.
It's funny how that works - Last major purchase on GunBroker was many moons ago - a Norinco NDM-86 chambered in .308.
I remember when I bought it that I wasn't worried in the least about what I was getting - I was able to look at all the pics and I knew exactly what was coming. Not sure why I didn't think of looking at the auctions.
I have just been trading and buying from individuals lately and the only reason I bought the Tokarev is that a friend bought one and I loved the way it felt not to mention the historical angle - it was pure impulse buying.
Got to watch that - it's worth spending some time and shopping around.
It's a real plus that GunBroker has a support process so you're not entirely on your own if something does go south.
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt
Hi Jonc,
Here's a link to the ad: https://www.classicfirearms.com/romanian-ttc-tokarev-pistol
"Brutus' Description
It has been a little over a year now since we had our last batch of these fine handguns in stock, but I believe the wait was worth it. These are exceptional, probably the nicest batch we've had here. And no disrespect to the Yugo variation, but I like these better.
These have a factory safety instead of an after production add on and the lines and fit are just cleaner. These are in excellent condition with nice bluing and very minimal wear. Each pistol is packed in light oil inside a plactic bag... comes complete with an original surplus grade holster, lanyard, cleaning rod and extra mag. The finish on these is a deep rich blue. Some may have very slight bluing wear on the sharp edges but most do not. Bores have been very nice on the ones I have seen.
Each pistol is semi-automatic and fires the hard hitting, flat shooting 7.62x25 caliber cartridge. These pistols come with two 8rd mag.
Don't you buy no ugly gun.... Get one of these and be proud....."
The bluing on mine was not a deep rich blue, the bore is pitiful and the example pictures on the website are excellent (as was the one my buddy got)
If there was no hype, I would have eaten it pitted bore, bright edges and broken firing pin and all and just left it at that, but to me, it was obvious that it was not a pick of the litter so to speak.
Anyway, no sense in crying over spilt milk - but other people should know what the risks are - that's why I posted the video - I think I was fair in the video.
Maybe I am too picky...
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
Each of us paid $25 to the FFL - no straw purchase here at all!
Soon You will Be Officially Welcomed to The GB Fraternity[:o)]
Don't see the point in paying money to let someone else hand pick one.
Brad Steele
Additionally, to the OP, in all fairness to the seller, I don't think it's right to blame the seller for a firing pin breaking while you were shooting the pistol. Just my $.02
quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
Each of us paid $25 to the FFL - no straw purchase here at all!
You will quickly learn that taking WIDE latitudes with what you may post, and jumping to conclusions is pretty standard here.
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
If he did it right, it wasn't necessarily a straw purchase.
quote:Originally posted by thwclw
quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
Each of us paid $25 to the FFL - no straw purchase here at all!
You will quickly learn that taking WIDE latitudes with what you may post, and jumping to conclusions is pretty standard here.
Yes, I think that's the norm on most forums - After I read the reply, I thought WOW I guess there are people out there that would do something like that - I'm such a boy-scout that I could never sleep at night if I did something like that, I'd be afraid the "man" would come and yank me out of my bed at 3:00 in the morning for a little water-boarding!
I spent an extra $ 10.00 to hand pick an SKS at Cabelas a number of years ago. They brought out 5 that had just arrived, and let me hand pick the one I wanted.
Don't see the point in paying money to let someone else hand pick one.
Now that's the way to do "Hand pick" - It matters quite a bit who's hand it is that's doing the picking!
quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
If he did it right, it wasn't necessarily a straw purchase.
It was done right - I checked with my FFL guy before I did it to make sure there wasn't going to be a problem with it. I don't take any chances when it comes to stuff like that, because God only knows when we all might be facing the day when they try to confiscate and I don't want to be at the top of the list.
So far Terry You Have Passed the Test ,
Soon You will Be Officially Welcomed to The GB Fraternity[:o)]
Thanks for the welcome!
quote:Originally posted by thwclw
quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
Each of us paid $25 to the FFL - no straw purchase here at all!
You will quickly learn that taking WIDE latitudes with what you may post, and jumping to conclusions is pretty standard here.
No freaking poop man!!!!!
"I bought two of them at the same time - one for me and another for a friend to save a bit on shipping."
A little straw purchase don't bother you? I sure wouldn't post about it anywhere.
It still had to go through an FFL to take custody, right? Therefore....not a straw purchase.
They got mixed up. Your buddy had the hand picked one an You ended up with the other one [:D]
Well, we paid a total of $40 ($20 apiece) for Both to be Hand Picked!
When we picked them up at the gun store we each grabbed a box without opening it so it was just my bad luck on that one!