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DHS says holow points safer for us C&P
torosapo
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That is why they need to buy 1.6 billion rounds in next 5 years.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/
Howard notes that use of hollow-point ammo by law enforcement officers is more efficient and even safer for the public.
"It (hollow points) cuts down on ricochets which means few bystanders will be hit. Hollow points rarely go through one target," He said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/#ixzz2OzSMHFdx
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/
Howard notes that use of hollow-point ammo by law enforcement officers is more efficient and even safer for the public.
"It (hollow points) cuts down on ricochets which means few bystanders will be hit. Hollow points rarely go through one target," He said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/#ixzz2OzSMHFdx
Comments
DHS buys hollow point bullets for training because someone said the over 100,000 LEO's under DHS should practice with same ammo they carry for duty. Some police I know agree, some say it's bullpuckey. Seems to be disagreement out there among cops.
Doesn't matter, DHS should buy the cheapest stuff they can get for practice.
On the other end of it, hollow point bullets are safer for the innocent because they tend not to go all the way thru bad guys. That's the entire point.
The ricochet claim sounds like the blather of an ignorant individual.
I've never heard of any LEO using hollow points.
I have never heard of a Law Enforcement Agency that DOES NOT use hollow point ammo! If there are any police departments using FMJ or ball ammo, please chime in, I'd be very surprised!
quote:Originally posted by torosapo
I've never heard of any LEO using hollow points.
I have never heard of a Law Enforcement Agency that DOES NOT use hollow point ammo! If there are any police departments using FMJ or ball ammo, please chime in, I'd be very surprised!
I guess I was misinformed, but then again I haven't asked any in quite a few years what they carry.
quote:Originally posted by CS8161
quote:Originally posted by torosapo
I've never heard of any LEO using hollow points.
I have never heard of a Law Enforcement Agency that DOES NOT use hollow point ammo! If there are any police departments using FMJ or ball ammo, please chime in, I'd be very surprised!
I guess I was misinformed, but then again I haven't asked any in quite a few years what they carry.
Yup, they use Hollow points.
Much bigger concern is that hollow points are not NATO compliant, so who are they for ?
Cops in the USA are not under the auspices of NATO.
I could never live in NJ, so I won't try to.
Exclusively hollow points, and I agree. If you need to shoot someone, you need to use the most effective ammo available. The only time for ball ammo is shooting at a vehicle to disable it.
I could never live in NJ, so I won't try to.
Thats what Spike strips are used for now [;)]
New Jersey bans things because the state is run by frightened people. When something scares the easily frightened they tend to pass laws to tell their fears to go away. Never works though.
DHS buys hollow point bullets for training because someone said the over 100,000 LEO's under DHS should practice with same ammo they carry for duty. Some police I know agree, some say it's bullpuckey. Seems to be disagreement out there among cops.
Doesn't matter, DHS should buy the cheapest stuff they can get for practice.
On the other end of it, hollow point bullets are safer for the innocent because they tend not to go all the way thru bad guys. That's the entire point.
The ricochet claim sounds like the blather of an ignorant individual.
They just want to buy them before the UN treaty goes into effect...
Hollow is spelled with 2 lls by the way.
Made me check! [:D]
Hollow is spelled with 2 lls by the way.
Mea Culpa, i don't have spell check on this computer yet.
Hollow points are not allowed by the Geneva convention So theyust not figure on using them on foreign enemys..... Right?
The Geneva Conventions do not ban hollow point bullets. The Hague Conference of 1899 did that. Applies only to soldiers during an international war between nations.
Civilian police are not afflicted by this document.
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
Hollow is spelled with 2 lls by the way.
Mea Culpa, i don't have spell check on this computer yet.
You just got Busted by the "Top" Spell check Cop! [:D]
And you got on me about reading Books. [:0]
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
Hollow points are not allowed by the Geneva convention So theyust not figure on using them on foreign enemys..... Right?
The Geneva Conventions do not ban hollow point bullets. The Hague Conference of 1899 did that. Applies only to soldiers during an international war between nations.
Civilian police are not afflicted by this document.
That was his entire point....
please try to read.
Hollow points are not allowed by the Geneva convention So theyust not figure on using them on foreign enemys..... Right?
Wrong. It was the Hague Conventions not Geneva, and the U.S. never signed the part of the Hague Conventions that included hollow point ammo. It just became U.S. policy to try to adhere to it, but it wasn't a strict policy. Even today, some U.S. troops are issued hollow point rifle ammo anyway. The Hague Convention is pretty much obsolete since it also banned such practices as flame throwers and putting armament on aircraft. [:D][:D]
But we know we can ignore it here anyway even if there was a war with Mexico because actually having the force of the international law enforced inside the USA is obviously a conspiracy theory.
I've never heard of any LEO using hollow points.
I've been a Police Officer for 17 years, and in that time I have always been issued hollow points for duty carry. Federal Hydra Shoks, Speer Gold Dots and Win Ranger SXTs. I'd second previous statements that I haven't heard of a PD that carried FMJ for duty.
I've read folks, particularly military folks stating that Feds don't train with JHPs and I'd dispute that. I know for a fact that our local Field Office for the ATF only trains with their duty ammo in their pistols. They are at the Range quarterly and they only shoot Win Ranger SXTs for training and duty. The only thing they use FMJ for training is in .223/5.56.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
Much bigger concern is that hollow points are not NATO compliant, so who are they for ?
Cops in the USA are not under the auspices of NATO.
Yep. Same answer my uncle gave me when I asked how come he used them in his gun @ the court house.
This means we are leaving NATO!!!
Too old to live...too young to die...
New Jersey bans things because the state is run by frightened people. When something scares the easily frightened they tend to pass laws to tell their fears to go away. Never works though.
DHS buys hollow point bullets for training because someone said the over 100,000 LEO's under DHS should practice with same ammo they carry for duty. Some police I know agree, some say it's bullpuckey. Seems to be disagreement out there among cops.
Doesn't matter, DHS should buy the cheapest stuff they can get for practice.
On the other end of it, hollow point bullets are safer for the innocent because they tend not to go all the way thru bad guys. That's the entire point.
The ricochet claim sounds like the blather of an ignorant individual.
This state is not run by scared or frightened people, but rather by a bunch of liberal democrats that the north elected. They didn't win one county in the southern part of the state where the farmers and rednecks live[:D]
Whats a shame is, we have too many big cities with too many Blacks that vote democrat and then complain about their lost freedoms. If you have ever been in the southern part of NJ, It is all farms and wood lands. Most people see NJ from Newark airport and think big industry and cities. I can drive the 50 miles from my home to the shore, through the woods and never see a house or car. It called the wharton state forest.
I do agree with you all on one thing, It really does suck living in a state of democrats with such strict gun laws.
My point exactly is all this cow cookies about dept of homeland security protecting us against foreign terrorist is just that ... cow cookies.... My grandma grew up in hitler Germany , she said the similarities here and Germany are so close that people here are foolish to thin other wise
There ya go folks, take it from someone who's been there.
quote:The confusion began in 1899 at the First Hague Peace Conference, which adopted a Declaration Concerning Expanding Bullets in which governments agreed to abstain from military use of ".bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which do not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions [skiving]." The declaration was more political than humanitarian, targeting the British .303 caliber Mk. III cartridge with its AL 9402 hollow point bullet in part due to the British War against the Boers in South Africa, notwithstanding the fact that the Mk III was never employed in that conflict.
http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1262
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by cowdoc
My point exactly is all this cow cookies about dept of homeland security protecting us against foreign terrorist is just that ... cow cookies.... My grandma grew up in hitler Germany , she said the similarities here and Germany are so close that people here are foolish to thin other wise
There ya go folks, take it from someone who's been there.
On no! Haven't you heard? All the really smart people say "It's a Conspiracy!"
It's just plain dumb to think our benevolent and benign government might do something that's not in the best interest of it subjects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_shirts
That is why they need to buy 1.6 billion rounds in next 5 years.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/
Howard notes that use of hollow-point ammo by law enforcement officers is more efficient and even safer for the public.
"It (hollow points) cuts down on ricochets which means few bystanders will be hit. Hollow points rarely go through one target," He said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/homeland-security-buying-pricey-ammo-as-department-wide-cuts-take-hold/#ixzz2OzSMHFdx
If that is the case, then why aren't they buying Frangible Ammunition???????