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The battle for the presidency may not be over
Mr. Perfect
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And what is probably most disturbing is the introduction of a bill to get rid of the electoral college.[xx(]
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-lead-popular-vote-2016-231790
Clinton's lead in the popular vote surpasses 2 million
A half-dozen electors, those who will formally cast votes for Trump and Clinton on Dec. 19, are pushing to block Trump from winning a majority of votes.
By Nolan D. McCaskill
11/23/16 01:39 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump in the popular vote surpassed 2 million Wednesday morning, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.
Clinton has garnered 64,223,958 votes, compared to Trump's 62,206,395 votes.
By Nov. 15, the Democratic nominee's advantage had crossed the 1-million mark and ballooned to 1.5 million by Sunday.
Despite Clinton's lead in the popular vote, it was Trump who prevailed on Election Day by clinching 270 Electoral College votes.
Trump told New York Times reporters Tuesday he would "rather do the popular vote" and was "never a fan of the Electoral College until now."
"The popular vote would have been a lot easier, but it's a whole different campaign. I would have been in California, I would have been in Texas, Florida and New York, and we wouldn't have gone anywhere else," Trump said. "Which is, I mean I'd rather do the popular vote."
"But I think the popular vote would have been easier in a true sense because you'd go to a few places," he added. "I think that's the genius of the Electoral College. I was never a fan of the Electoral College until now."
Trump's comments echo the sentiments he expressed a week after his historic election, when he tweeted: "The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!"
That, however, was an about-face from what he tweeted after President Barack Obama's reelection against Mitt Romney in 2012.
"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy," Trump declared then.
For good measure, Trump boasted last week, "If the election were based on total popular vote I would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily."
California Sen. Barbara Boxer, a Democratic lawmaker who supported Clinton, introduced legislation last week to abolish the Electoral College. The long-shot bid is not expected to clear the GOP-controlled Congress, though.
And at least a half-dozen electors, those who will formally cast votes for Trump and Clinton on Dec. 19, are pushing to block Trump from winning a majority of votes.
While the effort is unlikely to succeed - even if it did, the House of Representatives could simply choose to elect Trump - so-called faithless electors who buck the will of the voters could spur more widespread calls for reform.
Al Gore's lead over George W. Bush in the famously close 2000 election was about 500,000 - which at the time was the largest advantage in the popular vote for a candidate who lost the Electoral College vote in the presidential election.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-lead-popular-vote-2016-231790
Clinton's lead in the popular vote surpasses 2 million
A half-dozen electors, those who will formally cast votes for Trump and Clinton on Dec. 19, are pushing to block Trump from winning a majority of votes.
By Nolan D. McCaskill
11/23/16 01:39 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump in the popular vote surpassed 2 million Wednesday morning, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.
Clinton has garnered 64,223,958 votes, compared to Trump's 62,206,395 votes.
By Nov. 15, the Democratic nominee's advantage had crossed the 1-million mark and ballooned to 1.5 million by Sunday.
Despite Clinton's lead in the popular vote, it was Trump who prevailed on Election Day by clinching 270 Electoral College votes.
Trump told New York Times reporters Tuesday he would "rather do the popular vote" and was "never a fan of the Electoral College until now."
"The popular vote would have been a lot easier, but it's a whole different campaign. I would have been in California, I would have been in Texas, Florida and New York, and we wouldn't have gone anywhere else," Trump said. "Which is, I mean I'd rather do the popular vote."
"But I think the popular vote would have been easier in a true sense because you'd go to a few places," he added. "I think that's the genius of the Electoral College. I was never a fan of the Electoral College until now."
Trump's comments echo the sentiments he expressed a week after his historic election, when he tweeted: "The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!"
That, however, was an about-face from what he tweeted after President Barack Obama's reelection against Mitt Romney in 2012.
"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy," Trump declared then.
For good measure, Trump boasted last week, "If the election were based on total popular vote I would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily."
California Sen. Barbara Boxer, a Democratic lawmaker who supported Clinton, introduced legislation last week to abolish the Electoral College. The long-shot bid is not expected to clear the GOP-controlled Congress, though.
And at least a half-dozen electors, those who will formally cast votes for Trump and Clinton on Dec. 19, are pushing to block Trump from winning a majority of votes.
While the effort is unlikely to succeed - even if it did, the House of Representatives could simply choose to elect Trump - so-called faithless electors who buck the will of the voters could spur more widespread calls for reform.
Al Gore's lead over George W. Bush in the famously close 2000 election was about 500,000 - which at the time was the largest advantage in the popular vote for a candidate who lost the Electoral College vote in the presidential election.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
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Do away with the Electoral College and there would be no reason to campaign anywhere but the most populated cities. Our votes wouldn't matter at all. [:(!]
The noise from the Libtards will go on (sore losers),but it is over.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Take out NY City, Miami, LA, San Francisco and Chicago and see who got the popular vote.
Well, first of all even though they are liberal hell holes they are still part of America, and their votes do and should count. So, let's just dispense with the nonsense about not counting their votes.
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Oh it's over.
The noise from the Libtards will go on (sore losers),but it is over.
We saw that in 2000. They've perfected it this go-round.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
Take out NY City, Miami, LA, San Francisco and Chicago and see who got the popular vote.
Well, first of all even though they are liberal hell holes they are still part of America, and their votes do and should count. So, let's just dispense with the nonsense about not counting their votes.
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Of course their votes count but so do ours. My point is that's where Hillary's high numbers come from, not the country as a whole.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
Take out NY City, Miami, LA, San Francisco and Chicago and see who got the popular vote.
Well, first of all even though they are liberal hell holes they are still part of America, and their votes do and should count. So, let's just dispense with the nonsense about not counting their votes.
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Our country has a system in place called the "electoral college". That is the way it works.
If those folks living in the big cities want to change the outcome of an election, they should move to another state - get the majority in that state to vote for "their" candidate - and then the electoral college for that state will vote for "their" candidate.
There are more people living in any of those big cities mentioned than there are living in my whole state - and we like it that way. [:D]
Of course the folks living in the big cities, would probably not survive very long out here in "fly over" country. [;)]
We don't have many of those . . . ummmmm . . . "amenities" (?) they are so used to in the big cities - and we like it that way too. [:D]
WOW! A whole half-dozen Socialist 'rats! Well, obviously we need to bend to their will! [}:)]
This is just the 'rats and media trying to change the will of the people. The people they thought were too stupid to oppose them and their wannabe queen.
If there's a recount it will hopefully uncover the three million illegals who voted for Hilly.
I don't think this will go anywhere, but if it does, and the election is overturned, the left is going to find out what the second American revolution is all about. They won't live till July 4th. They'll REALLY be looking for "safe spaces."
They're trying so ridiculously hard to overturn the will of the people because if Hilly got in she would (and could) turn America into a Socialist slave state - forever (unless there was the War of Northern Aggression .)
Her SCOTUS pick(s) would be her loyal lapdogs and do anything she wanted. Fuch the Constitution. The first and second amendments are unConstitutional? Of course! Etc.
These people want America to be a real life "Oceania," so they will go to any length to try to make it a reality - no matter how foolish it makes them look.
If the snowflakes and Marxists think the American Revolution was bad and the War of Northern Aggression a tragedy just let them declare Hillary POTUS and see what happens.
One would hope...
I think some of you folks are taking all of this recount and flipping electors too lightly. We'll see very, very soon and I hope you are right and I'm wrong.
If the snowflakes and Marxists think the American Revolution was bad and the War of Northern Aggression a tragedy just let them declare Hillary POTUS and see what happens.
enlighten us please as to what will happen as i said in another post...
let me answer
NOTHING!!!
I wonder how many showed up after the election.
If they can pay people to cause violence at a Trump rally, stuffing ballot boxes is no big deal.
Furthermore many of the states today would not ratify it if an attempt was made to change it. It is what it is some people need to get over it.
If the snowflakes and Marxists think the American Revolution was bad and the War of Northern Aggression a tragedy just let them declare Hillary POTUS and see what happens.
Just thinking the exact same thing.
If the snowflakes and Marxists think the American Revolution was bad and the War of Northern Aggression a tragedy just let them declare Hillary POTUS and see what happens.
Nothing will happen, except some pissed off GB forum members will expect everybody to "write/call their congressman". As far as taking REAL action, never happen.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Brad Steele
Trump could have spent more time in California rather than Michigan to garner more popular votes. The campaign strategy is based on the rules of the game.......what a bunch of sore pusses.
California Clinton +28 NO ID
Connecticut Clinton +14 Non-strict non-photo ID
Delaware Clinton +11 Non-strict non-photo ID
D.C. Clinton +89
Hawaii Clinton +32 Non-strict non-photo ID
Illinois Clinton +16 NO ID
Maryland Clinton + 26 NO ID
Massachusetts Clinton +27 NO ID
New Jersey Clinton +13 NO ID
New York Clinton +21 NO ID
Rhode Island Clinton +15 Non-strict non-photo ID
Vermont Clinton +28 NO ID
Washington Clinton +17 Non-strict non-photo ID
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#tab=Map
I can't see how any discussion of changing or eliminating the Electoral College can take place without including the requirements for National voter standards and a national registration. These standards should not be subject to ANY Executive Order. Actually a Constructional amendment would be required and should set the standards and NOT provide for legislation.
Viewing the popular vote AFTER the election could be misleading. Is it not possible that Trump voters in CA may have seen the futility and just chose to avoid the crowds and possible harassment and stayed home, since the popular vote only mattered in their State. Now the same could be said for Clinton voters. How many hits you get in a ball game should not alter the results AFTER the game, it's still how many runs that count.
The rules of the game is you have to win the electoral college, right? Change the rules to the popular vote and you have an entirely new game.
Trump could have spent more time in California rather than Michigan to garner more popular votes. The campaign strategy is based on the rules of the game.......what a bunch of sore pusses.
He appears to be a reasonably fast study, Mr. Cheese.
Just 10 months ago he was complaining about the rules of the GOP Primary system because he didn't know the game. He learned and did an excellent job of targeting his audience to take advantage of the rules he bemoans.
He is also showing a similar knack for governance thus far. An encourage set of developments that bodes well for his Presidency and the country.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by GuvamintCheese
The rules of the game is you have to win the electoral college, right? Change the rules to the popular vote and you have an entirely new game.
Trump could have spent more time in California rather than Michigan to garner more popular votes. The campaign strategy is based on the rules of the game.......what a bunch of sore pusses.
He appears to be a reasonably fast study, Mr. Cheese.
Just 10 months ago he was complaining about the rules of the GOP Primary system because he didn't know the game. He learned and did an excellent job of targeting his audience to take advantage of the rules he bemoans.
He is also showing a similar knack for governance thus far. An encourage set of developments that bodes well for his Presidency and the country.
Apparently, Trump isn't as dumb as some thought he was. It seems a guy who has built a multi-billion dollar business enterprise has to learn, surround himself with smart people, and adapt.
Who knew? [^]