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The real reason for the Civil War
remingtonoaks
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The real reason for the Civil War was because the Southerners wouldn't pay taxes on their moonshine, and the government wanted their money they thought due to them in taxes on the moonshine.
Sheesh, am I the only one smart enough to figure this out [:D][:o)]
So let's quit calling it "The Civil War", or "the War of Northern Aggression ", or "the War of Northern Aggression to End all Southern Unconstitutional Activities", and call it what it really was... "The War Over Moonshine Taxes" [:D]
By the way, I post this in jest, but it is truly one of the reasons why the southerners seceded from the United States and formed the confederate states. But just one of many reasons
Sheesh, am I the only one smart enough to figure this out [:D][:o)]
So let's quit calling it "The Civil War", or "the War of Northern Aggression ", or "the War of Northern Aggression to End all Southern Unconstitutional Activities", and call it what it really was... "The War Over Moonshine Taxes" [:D]
By the way, I post this in jest, but it is truly one of the reasons why the southerners seceded from the United States and formed the confederate states. But just one of many reasons
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I'll try it: the War of Northern Aggression .
And even though I typed the common term, the censor's term is what shows in the preview.
They have been linked on the forum many times and one tires of leading horses to water.
That said, secession should not have started the war. Lincoln had a choice between accepting self government as enshrined in the Declaration of Independance and in the US Constitution, or assuming the role of tyrant as did George III some 80 years previously.
Lincoln chose tyranny, and in doing so so destroyed the very tennnents of government be so disengenously advocated at Gettysburg a few years later.
Brad Steele
What I'd like to know is how you got that term past the GB forum censor program.
I'll try it: the War of Northern Aggression .
And even though I typed the common term, the censor's term is what shows in the preview.
Double space between the words
The real reason for the Civil War was because the Southerners wouldn't pay taxes on their moonshine, and the government wanted their money they thought due to them in taxes on the moonshine.
Sheesh, am I the only one smart enough to figure this out [:D][:o)]
So let's quit calling it "The Civil War", or "the War of Northern Aggression ", or "the War of Northern Aggression to End all Southern Unconstitutional Activities", and call it what it really was... "The War Over Moonshine Taxes" [:D]
By the way, I post this in jest, but it is truly one of the reasons why the southerners seceded from the United States and formed the confederate states. But just one of many reasons
I believe that one was called the Whiskey Rebellion and it was about 70 years earlier.[;)]
Over taxation and tariffs on the South, and most of the money being spent in the North. So the poor ignorant Southerners paid for the railroads, streets and conveniences of the brilliant North.
So yes, anybody that wants to study the situation in the early 1800s can find out there were many reasons the Southern states were sick of the Union. Of course, it has been dumbed down to all it was about was slavery. That way there is justification to continue to screw the Southern states.
The real reason for the Civil War was because the Southerners wouldn't pay taxes on their moonshine, and the government wanted their money they thought due to them in taxes on the moonshine.
Sheesh, am I the only one smart enough to figure this out [:D][:o)]
So let's quit calling it "The Civil War", or "the War of Northern Aggression ", or "the War of Northern Aggression to End all Southern Unconstitutional Activities", and call it what it really was... "The War Over Moonshine Taxes" [:D]
By the way, I post this in jest, but it is truly one of the reasons why the southerners seceded from the United States and formed the confederate states. But just one of many reasons
The Damnyankee's got that money as well, then bought our white lightening with some of it, then built their factories and railroads with the rest of it and doubled the wages of their workers to boot. Times have changed...when was the last time you took a look at Detroit...for one? [:D]
quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
What I'd like to know is how you got that term past the GB forum censor program.
I'll try it: the War of Northern Aggression .
And even though I typed the common term, the censor's term is what shows in the preview.
Double space between the words
We'll...I see ye Old Back Door has finally come to good use! [:D]
They have been linked on the forum many times and one tires of leading horses to water.
That said, secession should not have started the war. Lincoln had a choice between accepting self government as enshrined in the Declaration of Independance and in the US Constitution, or assuming I really wish people would read the readily available Declarations of Causes of the various Southern States before making uniniformed statements. They specifically state the primary reason for secession which was, of course, the growing pressure from the north to eliminate slavery.
the role of tyrant as did George III some 80 years previously.
Lincoln chose tyranny, and in doing so so destroyed the very tennnents of government be so disengenously advocated at Gettysburg a few years later.
Just as soon as the textbooks of this land address "all" of the reasons, Don. Also, we want to see this in the national news as well: "Lincoln chose tyranny, and in doing so so destroyed the very tennnents of government be so disengenously advocated at Gettysburg a few years later." [;)]
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Brad Steele
The southern states were still in the old agriculture system that needed those employees in the field picking crops. War is primary always for making money yet the greedy will use Democracy and Human rights as a cover for the pacifists in society to gain there support.
That's why we have multi multiculturalism now in The USA to break up tribalism with Clans in the government.
In today's world it's your intellect with education with know- how and how much wealth your family controls as the only acceptable discrimination allowed in the present system.
Even The Rich Democrats know this in our two party system and now with
intelligence robots coming on board to take a lot of jobs we are getting ready for another revolution in our time. Bet on it.
serf
It is next to impossible to compile a textbook without reflecting to some extent the bias of the author(s), kimi. Today we have such an advantage over what was available just a generation ago, in that all of us can research and find the original documents and transcripts of the actual speeches given by Stevens, Davis, and the leaders of secessionist movements in the various states.
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Don, I think we are both pretty much in agreement on how we feel about the tyrant Lincoln, the slave issue, and the states rights and economic issues that are brought forth from time to time here on GB. This, without getting into weighing some of the more nasty issues of contention. I think we can agree that textbooks could be written today that would address the subject in a manner suitable to the vast majority of people. With such books available for learning, the prioritizing and/or weighing of certain issues like slavery, states rights, and economics would make for good classroom discussions, along with the activities that led up to the war since the American Revolution, to include, issues such as the border wars, how much of the south was burned and which union generals did the burning, plus the scale of rape and stolen wealth that the southern people endured, plus the fact that the south was goaded into firing the first shot. If we are going to right the history of this war...these sort of thing must be done. Oh, yes, for such further discussion, let's not forget all of the injustices perpetrated upon the southern people during reconstruction, and the black eye that the original KKK took as well.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Salt pepper and butter or sugar[V]
The war was over slavery. And other things but mainly over slavery. So what? People fought for a lot of causes in the past that we now think are oh so bad. Folks need to get over it.
It would be nice if we woke up tomorrow and this part of American history simply disappeared, but we all know that is not going to happen, Randy, so why waste our breath without a qualifying statement to the facts of the matter?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
The war was over slavery. And other things but mainly over slavery. So what? People fought for a lot of causes in the past that we now think are oh so bad. Folks need to get over it.
It would be nice if we woke up tomorrow and this part of American history simply disappeared, but we all know that is not going to happen, Randy, so why waste our breath without a qualifying statement to the facts of the matter?
Just win "the war of liberal aggression" and re write history.
quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
What I'd like to know is how you got that term past the GB forum censor program.
I'll try it: the War of Northern Aggression .
And even though I typed the common term, the censor's term is what shows in the preview.
Double space between the words
Or (Pardon my French) Guerre civile
It is next to impossible to compile a textbook without reflecting to some extent the bias of the author(s), kimi. Today we have such an advantage over what was available just a generation ago, in that all of us can research and find the original documents and transcripts of the actual speeches given by Stevens, Davis, and the leaders of secessionist movements in the various states.
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Don, you are living in history today. What the text books read 100 years from now will turn the stomachs of the bugs in our graves.
As far as slavery, you refer to it as a wart.
KNOCK OFF YOUR STUPIDITY OR GET LOCKED OUT FOR GOOD!
"the War of Northern Aggression ". Just testing
[:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is next to impossible to compile a textbook without reflecting to some extent the bias of the author(s), kimi. Today we have such an advantage over what was available just a generation ago, in that all of us can research and find the original documents and transcripts of the actual speeches given by Stevens, Davis, and the leaders of secessionist movements in the various states.
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Don, you are living in history today. What the text books read 100 years from now will turn the stomachs of the bugs in our graves.
As far as slavery, you refer to it as a wart.
[V]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is next to impossible to compile a textbook without reflecting to some extent the bias of the author(s), kimi. Today we have such an advantage over what was available just a generation ago, in that all of us can research and find the original documents and transcripts of the actual speeches given by Stevens, Davis, and the leaders of secessionist movements in the various states.
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Don, you are living in history today. What the text books read 100 years from now will turn the stomachs of the bugs in our graves.
As far as slavery, you refer to it as a wart.
[V][V][V] I can't believe you believe this!!!! Sorry but in my opinion, what you posted shows a level of stupidity, the likes of which I've never seen or could imagine anybody could ever possess.
Slaves ARE NOT livestock.
[V][V][V]Nobody forces people to play pro sports. So it's not slavery
[V][V][V] not all inner city people no matter what ethnic back ground are violent. So they should have the right to freedom until and if they break the law.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is next to impossible to compile a textbook without reflecting to some extent the bias of the author(s), kimi. Today we have such an advantage over what was available just a generation ago, in that all of us can research and find the original documents and transcripts of the actual speeches given by Stevens, Davis, and the leaders of secessionist movements in the various states.
We don't have to believe what people have told us about these folks, and we do not have to accept the bias of our upbringing.
My personal experience started some 50 years ago when I had a southern teacher who parroted the 'States Rights' position for secession to the exclusion of the very real retention of slavery position. For a few years, I was so very proud of myself that I could counter the slavish devotion to Lincoln knowing full well that the real reason was lost upon these brainwashed Yankee loving lackeys. Further reading over the years proved (at least to me) that there was a primary motivation and numerous secondary and tertiary motivations.
What was missing until the past couple of decades, however, was the fundamental understanding that holding the Union together by force of arms was and remains antithetical to very premise of that union. In short, the war was the result of a tyrannical northern government's insistence upon holding the seceded states in the union against the laws of man, and against the laws of Nature's God, if I may be so bold as to steal a phrase from Jefferson.
I firmly believe that secession based upon the fear of the elimination of slavery does not cheapen the underlying fundamental right of self-determination of the people of the southern states. All societies have warts, but the existence of those warts does not and should not discount the right of that society to exist. It is too easy to fall into the trap of sugar-coating root causes so as to rationalize the underlying goal. It is what the mainstream has done in the total acceptance and worship of Abraham Lincoln just as it is what those who attempt to brush the stain of slavery away from the motivations of the southern states are doing.
Both positions overly-simplify the actions of the opposing sides to better justify those actions. The truth, however, remains, and the subjugation of State Governments is the tragic burden Lincoln bestowed upon this country and is a burden we and our progeny shall bear absent a real awakening of what once was the American spirit.
Don, you are living in history today. What the text books read 100 years from now will turn the stomachs of the bugs in our graves.
As far as slavery, you refer to it as a wart.
Only if you actually believe there is some equivalency between humans and cattle. Really dude?[xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The south of course seceded because of their desire to retain slavery & end the taxation but that was their right under article ten of the Bill of Rights.
Secession was prohibited under the Articles of Confederation but not the Constitution. That could not have been a simple oversight.
And I chose not to comment on the ridiculous notion of the NFL and NBA... which PAYS the individuals of all races and creeds to work for them as being the modern day equivalent of slavery.
It's clear you know so very little of what you speak and the undertones are quite literally disgusting.[xx(]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Ever herd of biology?
And just for fun, I'll point out that I spelled BWaHaHa wrong on purpose. [;)]
I'm curious if you stayed away from the last comment, for fear of revealing that people are still bought and sold today.
Get it dude?
You spelled 'heard' incorrectly as well, but given the idiocy of your post, I am assuming you are just doing the best that you can.
Brad Steele
It's actually pretty disgusting. I fail to see any humor. Yes, of course I am familiar with biology, thus my comment. Perhaps you should do some reading on it as well.
And I chose not to comment on the ridiculous notion of the NFL and NBA... which PAYS the individuals of all races and creeds to work for them as being the modern day equivalent of slavery.
It's clear you know so very little of what you speak and the undertones are quite literally disgusting.[xx(]
/\ /\ /\ /\ The war of liberal aggression right here. /\ /\ /\ /\ /
Pencils...
I'm sure you can find a way to be disgusted by the undertones and hidden meanings in that statement.
Funny you bring up race, I didn't. Are you so bigoted that I shouldn't hate everybody equally? I mean really, are there white guys in the nfl and nba
Your underwear is full of white guilt, deal with it. I find it despicable of you to be manufacturing hate towards me, based on your own prejudices.
People are animals. Stampede YE Haw. The way we buy and sell and exploit humans is still slavery, you just are trying to re define "slavery" as only applying toward the negroes sold by their own tribes. I'm a bit more edumacated than that. Sorry Mr P.
Righteous Indignation OMG. Been there, done that, get over yourself.
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Their is no one reason. Slavery was the primary reason believe it or not. Taxez werfe never mentioned in the fifty or more books I have read on thethe War of Northern Aggression .
If tariffs (taxes) were not mentioned, those books certainly missed a significant point.
Brad Steele
Their is no one reason. Slavery was the primary reason believe it or not. Taxez werfe never mentioned in the fifty or more books I have read on thethe War of Northern Aggression .
Depends on who writes the history. (Usually the winner.)
Too many can not. Many are slaves still glued to the democrat plantations.
Excuse makers-LSM and apologists be damned. YOU just encourage the filth.
http://heyjackass.com/
101% democrat owned. Their black 'leaders" couldn't fix a sandwich let alone their self destructing race.