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Would You? ......
84Bravo1
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Appropriate another's hidden property that was buried. Not hurting anyone mind you, just buried and awaiting retrieval, due to a "SHTF," scenario.
Just wondering.
Looking for a discussion.
(Edited to correct a poor choice of words on my part.)
Just wondering.
Looking for a discussion.
(Edited to correct a poor choice of words on my part.)
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Anyway I guess it depends how much SHTF, if you were starving or your kids were would you just cover it back up if you found a food stash and let them die?
Not sure how you would find buried property in a SHTF scenario unless you knew it was there.
Anyway I guess it depends how much SHTF, if you were starving or your kids were would you just cover it back up if you found a food stash and let them die?
I'm talking about finding stuff buried Prior to the SHTF.
I am not trying to provoke an argument. (Just enable a discussion.)
It may well be another Patriot, who had the foresight to plan ahead.
(And) Be there alongside you, to take care of business. Personally, that is the kind of personality I'd care to encompass.
If you can not acknowledge "Up in the mountains," vs. "in my backyard," well then, nuances do not come in to play here for you.
Not trying to provoke an argument. Just trying to expand on a discussion.
Please do not get butt hurt.
As an analogy, let's say you drive you drive to Mexico for a vacation and while there someone attaches a couple keys of coke under your car, with the intent of retrieving them after you cross the border. If the Border Patrol finds it, have fun proving it isn't yours.
Not even close to be the same. (But) Thanks, for contributing.
(And) Be there alongside you, to take care of business. Personally, that is the kind of personality I'd care to encompass."
Wouldn't anyone fitting that description tell you it's there? If he dies, or whatever, would the stash be available to a fellow patriot whose land it's on?
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
Not sure how you would find buried property in a SHTF scenario unless you knew it was there.
Anyway I guess it depends how much SHTF, if you were starving or your kids were would you just cover it back up if you found a food stash and let them die?
I'm talking about finding stuff buried Prior to the SHTF.
After the SHTF event? Believe after the event all bets are off on who owns what and or gets the drop.
Uninvited intruders that think they can stash things on my property with the idea that they can reclaim at a later date, are not welcome here and if I were to find their stuff....it would be mine.
Property owners have to pay not only for the property but the taxes, insurance, and the upkeep. Then they have to fight city hall when they want to make improvements or prosper from a business activity that goes against the zoning ordinances.
I gladly give the right to anyone who wants or needs to store\hide possessions in secret, as long as it is on their own property!
State\Federal land....go for it! As long as the person understands that finders keepers is a prevalant belief and they are very good at hiding their spoils.
Just my honest opinions on this Ken.
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
"Up in the mountains," is a little different than, "in my backyard."
I am not trying to provoke an argument. (Just enable a discussion.)
It may well be another Patriot, who had the foresight to plan ahead.
(And) Be there alongside you, to take care of business. Personally, that is the kind of personality I'd care to encompass.
If you can not acknowledge "Up in the mountains," vs. "in my backyard," well then, nuances do not come in to play here for you.
Not trying to provoke an argument. Just trying to expand on a discussion.
Please do not get butt hurt.
No it's not,,,,,,,,the rancher owns it, pays taxes on it just like you do on your own home/property. Just where does the ranchers front/back yard end and his 'other' contiguous land begin ???
Forge, I am not trying to provoke an argument. Merely enable a discussion. I personally carry a distinction between "up in the mountains," vs. "In my backyard," Burying a 5 gal. bucket up in the mountains? Not a huge foul. If the "Bear" had not uncovered it, would anyone have known it was there? Uncovered, (having not hurt anyone,) it is fair game?
In am just curious, not trying to be confrontational. Please do not take it that way. I am looking for a discussion, not an argument.
only other question, what if you caught them burying it, would you run them off and keep it. Or worse yet say the SHTF and you are out then run into them digging it up on your property?? I would definatly run them off and keep it........ private property is just that PRIVATE!
If he/she didn't have the foresight to know it was private property, they probubly won't have the sense to live long enough to retrieve it if SHTF.............
only other question, what if you caught them burying it, would you run them off and keep it. Or worse yet say the SHTF and you are out then run into them digging it up on your property?? I would definatly run them off and keep it........ private property is just that PRIVATE!
An interesting distinction hillbille. Caught on my property burying it? Might be a little different than years later, finding a buried bucket. I appreciate the input, and insight/perspective.
The way things are in my area with current zoning laws and the ever increasing property taxes, I do all I can in an attempt to keep a person's property their private domain.
Uninvited intruders that think they can stash things on my property with the idea that they can reclaim at a later date, are not welcome here and if I were to find their stuff....it would be mine.
Property owners have to pay not only for the property but the taxes, insurance, and the upkeep. Then they have to fight city hall when they want to make improvements or prosper from a business activity that goes against the zoning ordinances.
I gladly give the right to anyone who wants or needs to store\hide possessions in secret, as long as it is on their own property!
State\Federal land....go for it! As long as the person understands that finders keepers is a prevalant belief and they are very good at hiding their spoils.
Just my honest opinions on this Ken.
Your opinion and insight also appreciated Brother.
I understand. I think.
No, I would bother it if it was in a corner of my ?back 40?.
I would keep an eye out, though.
The last one was sent packing, ...after payment for the fence, and my fence posts he was using for firewood.
Slow to learn, he pulled the same stunt the following year. That time he wasn't sent packing, he was just sent. All his camping gear and his rifle now belong to my cousin.
Trespassing in that country is serious business, so is cattle rustling. Rustlers were often found with self inflicted gunshots to the back of the head. Before I go onto my own property, I make sure to notify family members that I'm in town and on the ranch.
Bury something on my property without permission, and it's gladly accepted as a non-returnable gift.
"Up in the mountains," is a little different than, "in my backyard."
I am not trying to provoke an argument. (Just enable a discussion.)
It may well be another Patriot, who had the foresight to plan ahead.
(And) Be there alongside you, to take care of business. Personally, that is the kind of personality I'd care to encompass.
If you can not acknowledge "Up in the mountains," vs. "in my backyard," well then, nuances do not come in to play here for you.
Not trying to provoke an argument. Just trying to expand on a discussion.
Please do not get butt hurt.
Up in the mountains where your property is different from everybody else's backyard; say the local revenuer finds a still accidently left on your property by an unknown moonshiner who forgot to ask if it was OK to use your place, putting you and your family in jeopardy, to beat the gooberment out of a few tax dollars.
Whose name do you reckon will be on the warrant when the revenuer pays you a friendly visit?
I know it's a different scenario but the principal is the same. Your property is your property and my property is my property. Neither of us have the "right" to use the other's property without permission.
If I find somebody's stash on my property he can count himself as lucky if his former property is all he loses.
1) If I own the property and find the stash, its mine - all mine. Don't ask for it back.
2) If I'm out wandering on federal land, I'd likely just cover it back up. If that wasn't going to "keep it hidden," I'd take it with me and leave a note telling the owner where he can come to get his stuff back - for a transportation and storage fee.
3) If I'm on private property (hunting, etc.), I'd leave it and let the property owner know...his issue not mine.
The hell with him. He is a trespasser IMO. If he wants it back he can come see me. Most will not they don't have the balls and they know they are wrong.
I have a nice deer stand collection. When I remove them I leave a card with my name and number. Call anytime or come by..........
I figure you have 2 choices:
Slap leather or
Beat feet
I would not take kindly to someone doing that to me.
I didn't mean to imply I was okay with that. (The OP was a poor choice of words on my part.)
I was just interested in starting a discussion and curious as to others thoughts and perspectives. I was not looking to provoke an argument. Thanks for replying.
Also Thank you for keeping it civil, as Forge alluded to.
-Ken-
No I know because upon your background that Integrity can be measured at different levels, such as Al Capone and his thoughts of his integrity. And I'm sure there are a lot of people in prison that thought it was okay to rob somebody 4 any number of reasons. And they all think they are people of high integrity.
But like I say, people in high integrity but not keep something that does not belong to them. They would either leave it there, or turn it in for the rightful owners to claim it.
And of course if you find something, and you turn it into a police department and nobody claims it after certain like the time then you can consider can it your property. But if you don't go through due process, in my opinion you're a person of low integrity
Again, this is just my opinion. And I'm sure it doesn't matter to you what I think of you
The contiguous land begins at the border to a ranchers land. It is NOT his "other" land - it is either public or someone else's land.
The thread that prompted this one talks about finding someone else's property not on your land, but implies public land as in "up in the mountains" . So I think the real question is what claim of ownership do you have of someone else's property if you find it on public , or someone else's land ?
The contiguous land begins at the border to a ranchers land. It is NOT his "other" land - it is either public or someone else's land.
The thread that prompted this one talks about finding someone else's property not on your land, but implies public land as in "up in the mountains" . So I think the real question is what claim of ownership do you have of someone else's property if you find it on public , or someone else's land ?
You have the gist of that thread about as wrong as you can get it without it being intentional. If you want to know what it was about you've got a lot of reading to do.
The summary is an unknown suspect buried some of his personal property on a lady's real estate (her ranch) without asking or receiving her permission. His property was unearthed by a bear evidently trying to get at a can of Spam buried with his property.
The lady didn't want the abandoned property so she offered it to a forum member.
Several of our members are questioning the ethics and morality of taking the abandoned property.
It's pretty clear cut and simple to me. If it's found on property other than your own you have no claim to it. If it's lost property it should be returned to the owner (depending on circumstances of the loss). Buried on your property without your knowledge or permission it belongs to you to do with as you please.
Where do you see in that statement that it was on the ranchers land ?
quote:You have the gist of that thread about as wrong as you can get it without it being intentional.
What did I miss ?
So I needed to go back to a previous thread to find out that it had previously clarified it was on the Ranchers land.
Webster: contiguous - having a common boundary or edge; touching; "abutting lots"; "adjoining rooms"; "Rhode Island has two bordering states; Massachusetts and Conncecticut"; "the side of Germany conterminous with France"; "Utah and the contiguous state of Idaho"; "neighboring cities"
I stand corrected for missing the terminoligy that clarified the location as being on the Ranchers land. I went back and found the original posting and I apoligize for not doing that earlier.