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Video of Fatal Police Shooting

allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
edited July 2015 in General Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V9AOsWQzpc

Stupid * was wanted for stealing a case of beer from a store next door.
He pulled a pellet gun on the cops. Palestine Texas.

Cam of female officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys5NjmTAFME

Comments

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,271 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just watched that on another site. This one has the cameras for both cops.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/02/these-videos-of-a-texas-police-shooting-show-how-body-cameras-can-vindicate-good-cops/

    Dude was not the sharpest tool in the shed...
    Looks like a good shoot to me.
  • WranglerWrangler Member Posts: 5,788
    edited November -1
    Definitely a good shoot. Either mental or just plain stupid.
  • Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    The "victim" was a white male, and he was too old to be the president's son so no civil unrest on this one.
  • EVILDR235EVILDR235 Member Posts: 4,398 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where is AL and Jesse ? Oh it was a white guy that got shot.Never mind.

    XXXXXX
  • capguncapgun Member Posts: 1,848
    edited November -1
    Shooting was justified, but had they patted the suspect down on initial contact it may have been avoided.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Suicide by cop the way I see it. He had to know he would be shot pulling a pellet gun on the cops. Absolutely a good shooting.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    those glocks worked pretty good [:D]
  • pistoljimpistoljim Member Posts: 967 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    Shooting was justified, but had they patted the suspect down on initial contact it may have been avoided.


    My thoughts exactly.
    Search him and cuff him in the restroom.
  • rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    What a lunatic.
    Police arrive at a scene probably
    for a nuisance call and end up having to
    shoot this guy. I know the cops train for this
    sort of thing but I'll bet those officers
    who went back home after their shift are now
    "different" people.
    Here,Here for the people in Blue and
    those that trained them.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rong
    What a lunatic.
    Police arrive at a scene probably
    for a nuisance call and end up having to
    shoot this guy. I know the cops train for this
    sort of thing but I'll bet those officers
    who went back home after their shift are now
    "different" people.
    Here,Here for the people in Blue and
    those that trained them.



    This is how it happens quite frequently. She reacted quickly. I am sure both officers are changed for ever. This video is a prime example of how quickly it happens.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is astonishing how quickly it happens.
    It looks like a run of the mill call, some goofus stole a case of beer from WalMart.
    They have him outside, the lighting is not good, and suddenly out of nowhere he is holding, apparently, a 1911 Colt.

    It would make you nervous about going to work the next day.

    It is such a difficult job being a police officer.
  • redhawkk480redhawkk480 Member Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    and IF they would have taken 30 seconds to pat him down in the men's room , good chance he would be alive and they wouldn't be going what happened to our lives
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    Shooting was justified, but had they patted the suspect down on initial contact it may have been avoided.



    I agree. The perp should have been searched/patted and weapon would be found. Since he had a weapon - cuffed on the spot as he was contained.
    He was then marched thru a pubic area uncuffed. Worst scenario: Could have been threat to people inside. Perhaps grabbed a hostage.

    Either way, the PD should be praised for their reaction outside. Thank goodness it happened in a small "red" town in TX where police are supported and appreciated.

    Compare to big cites controlled by democrats where their allies in main stream media would be demanding incarceration and firings within the PD for use of excessive force. Oh, and of course SOB stories portraying how nice the perp was and if he was still alive....
  • rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    And from my faith in the system point of
    view, had they padded him down,
    they would have found the gun, but
    the courts would have let this man go.
    Then he would have had another opportunity
    to repeat his actions on maybe some cop
    not as quick to the draw as the lady cop.
  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    those glocks worked pretty good [:D]


    [:D]. Too good
  • tajjntajjn Member Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I really like those strobe attached lights[:D]
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    Cops had no option, that's clear as can be. The man killed himself either out of pure stupidity or deliberate suicide.

    Agree though, had they patted him down in the restroom odds are good the shooting would not have happened.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've seen some lousy body camera video, but the system this department uses is outstanding. Even with the low light, you can see every detail. And, the camera is always pointed in the right direction.

    Neal
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tajjn
    I really like those strobe attached lights[:D]


    Streamlight TLR-1s, I'd guess it was probably activated unintentionally.
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm glad I wasn't in that car at the intersection behind the bad guy that was getting shot at. [:0]
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by tajjn
    I really like those strobe attached lights[:D]


    Streamlight TLR-1s, I'd guess it was probably activated unintentionally.




    I don't think so, they where smaller and had a laser
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by tajjn
    I really like those strobe attached lights[:D]


    Streamlight TLR-1s, I'd guess it was probably activated unintentionally.




    I don't think so, they where smaller and had a laser


    I didn't notice the laser dot until I watched it again.
  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was waiting for the second guessers to come.

    quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
    and IF they would have taken 30 seconds to pat him down in the men's room , good chance he would be alive and they wouldn't be going what the F--- happened to our lives
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
    I was waiting for the second guessers to come.

    quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
    and IF they would have taken 30 seconds to pat him down in the men's room , good chance he would be alive and they wouldn't be going what the F--- happened to our lives



    Of course, woulda, coulda, shoulda. I did notice that the Sgt walking out moved a place setting away from the edge so he couldn't easily grab it. Now its the officers fault that this moron pulled a gun on them wanting to be shot.
  • redhawkk480redhawkk480 Member Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    and is it to much too ask that you do your darn job right !!!!!!!!!
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,271 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
    I was waiting for the second guessers to come.

    quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
    and IF they would have taken 30 seconds to pat him down in the men's room , good chance he would be alive and they wouldn't be going what the F--- happened to our lives


    I asked my wife about this and her answer was because if the guy decides to get froggy in a tight space it can be pretty dangerous for the officers. By getting him outside they gave themselves some room to work.
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    The instant he pulled that toy out and struggled with the cops he was a dead drunk. It is an awful shame the cops didn't search and cuff him first, but that screw-up does not excuse the soon to be dead guy pulling that toy gun and struggling to get loose.

    I feel for the cops, their families and the families of the dead, thieving, stupid drunk.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
    I asked my wife about this and her answer was because if the guy decides to get froggy in a tight space it can be pretty dangerous for the officers. By getting him outside they gave themselves some room to work.


    I'd agree with that. If they'd have attempted to pat him down in the bathroom it could have led to a confrontation giving them little room to move, and retreat.
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    I don't think the last 3 shots from the female cop were necessary.
    Talk about kicking a dead horse..
  • capguncapgun Member Posts: 1,848
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
    I asked my wife about this and her answer was because if the guy decides to get froggy in a tight space it can be pretty dangerous for the officers. By getting him outside they gave themselves some room to work.


    I'd agree with that. If they'd have attempted to pat him down in the bathroom it could have led to a confrontation giving them little room to move, and retreat.
    Come now, there was plenty of room in that restroom to pat the guy down, and they had him confined alone in the restroom. And they had plenty of room when they exited the restroom. The male officer actually walked in front of the suspect through the restaurant with his back to the suspect. Poor tactics. Proper police procedure may have resulted in a better outcome.
  • WranglerWrangler Member Posts: 5,788
    edited November -1
    When do the protests start? Oh, wait! Never mind. [:I][:D]
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chris: 19 times the legal limit? No way, Jose.
    That has to be a typo, I think a decimal point got misplaced.
    Three times the legal limit is really, really drunk, staggering drunk.

    Five times the legal limit normally causes death.

    At any rate, when the officers accosted this guy in the bathroom, you could tell he was goofy; drunk, or maybe, stoned on pot. He was walking pretty well, I am gonna say 1.9 times the legal limit.
  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
    and is it to much too ask that you do your darn job right !!!!!!!!!

    Too bad all these experts don't work as trainers for the police academy and as cops in the rough areas. You could wipe out the crime and the bad pr overnight
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Patting him down in the restroom would of led to a shootout in the restaurant which possibly would of injured or killed innocent people. Good call by the cops in my opinion.
  • redhawkk480redhawkk480 Member Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    as if those glass windows where going to stop bullets , why don't you guys quit making excuse for crap work
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    Chris: 19 times the legal limit? No way, Jose.
    That has to be a typo, I think a decimal point got misplaced.
    Three times the legal limit is really, really drunk, staggering drunk.

    Five times the legal limit normally causes death.

    At any rate, when the officers accosted this guy in the bathroom, you could tell he was goofy; drunk, or maybe, stoned on pot. He was walking pretty well, I am gonna say 1.9 times the legal limit.


    Yeah that didn't look right to me either but I was just sharing the headline as found.

    In my EMT Rescue Dude Dayze such a highly polluted individual would have been referred to the coroner as potentially flammable.
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Crazy people in this world...
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,271 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
    I asked my wife about this and her answer was because if the guy decides to get froggy in a tight space it can be pretty dangerous for the officers. By getting him outside they gave themselves some room to work.


    I'd agree with that. If they'd have attempted to pat him down in the bathroom it could have led to a confrontation giving them little room to move, and retreat.
    Come now, there was plenty of room in that restroom to pat the guy down, and they had him confined alone in the restroom. And they had plenty of room when they exited the restroom. The male officer actually walked in front of the suspect through the restaurant with his back to the suspect. Poor tactics. Proper police procedure may have resulted in a better outcome.


    Yes, there was plenty of room to pat him down in the restroom, unless he went on the fight. Did ya miss that part?
    As they were walking him out the male officer kept looking back and the female was behind him. Had both been behind him he could have bolted. The way they did it they had him boxed in.
    May I ask what it is that you know of "proper police procedure"?
    Where did you get your training and how close did you finish to the top of your class?
  • GemJediGemJedi Member Posts: 120 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How many times do you think he was hit? Looked like the guy cop shot 13 and the girl cop shot 4. But the guy cops gun was bouncing all over during rapid fire.
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