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mrmike08075, lets talk..........
44pinshooter
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Mike,this is in response to your posting of me asking for a prayer for my son and the others to DC for the ProLife rally.
I found your response to be honest and refreshing !!!!!!
As I read it, you are a person who believes that people can agree to disagree and not turn an issue into a fight. You posted that you believe in an honest, peaceful meeting of people on an issue, that like many, is a double edged sword and can turn ugly in the blink of an eye and gain neither side any benefits.
People, who can have an open dialog of an issue and while it may not change one side going to the other, but accepting, that with out some kind of open, honest dialog, nothing will ever be gained. By accepting, that while one may not agree with the other, doors remain open for discussion not only on the main issue, but on other issues, where there maybe an agreement. When one side goes to screaming, swearing, name calling and threats, not being able to give any facts to base their reason on, only that they are right and you are too stupid to understand, what gets accomplished?
So, Mike, I thank you for saying what you posted, that yes, we may not agree, but respect too, no name calling or screaming threats but that my son and the others do have the right to what they are doing.
My older sister, who leans so far to the left, she and I can not talk about anything. She is right, all the time on everything. When I ask her why this is this or that is that, her response is, because. Because why? Because I know. What are the facts on the issue? Because I know and you don't. She has screamed at me, that I have no business ever going to church, as I am nothing but a merchant of death gun dealing, concealed carry, hater of woman's rights, Reagan loving, right-wing nut job *-HAT !!!!! And, why don't I understand that the muslims are just misunderstood, peace loving people.
Mike, my shop door is always open, the coffee pot is on or I can dig into the secret hide away for a sip of the good stuff and we can sit and talk about the world and neither one of us going off the deep end.
Last thing, at the end of the day, 'da wife and I reflect on our day and say prayers for many things and ask for healing and help for those who are in need. You are on our list.
I found your response to be honest and refreshing !!!!!!
As I read it, you are a person who believes that people can agree to disagree and not turn an issue into a fight. You posted that you believe in an honest, peaceful meeting of people on an issue, that like many, is a double edged sword and can turn ugly in the blink of an eye and gain neither side any benefits.
People, who can have an open dialog of an issue and while it may not change one side going to the other, but accepting, that with out some kind of open, honest dialog, nothing will ever be gained. By accepting, that while one may not agree with the other, doors remain open for discussion not only on the main issue, but on other issues, where there maybe an agreement. When one side goes to screaming, swearing, name calling and threats, not being able to give any facts to base their reason on, only that they are right and you are too stupid to understand, what gets accomplished?
So, Mike, I thank you for saying what you posted, that yes, we may not agree, but respect too, no name calling or screaming threats but that my son and the others do have the right to what they are doing.
My older sister, who leans so far to the left, she and I can not talk about anything. She is right, all the time on everything. When I ask her why this is this or that is that, her response is, because. Because why? Because I know. What are the facts on the issue? Because I know and you don't. She has screamed at me, that I have no business ever going to church, as I am nothing but a merchant of death gun dealing, concealed carry, hater of woman's rights, Reagan loving, right-wing nut job *-HAT !!!!! And, why don't I understand that the muslims are just misunderstood, peace loving people.
Mike, my shop door is always open, the coffee pot is on or I can dig into the secret hide away for a sip of the good stuff and we can sit and talk about the world and neither one of us going off the deep end.
Last thing, at the end of the day, 'da wife and I reflect on our day and say prayers for many things and ask for healing and help for those who are in need. You are on our list.
Comments
You hit the nail on the head Mike
I am proud to able to share the same forum with you Sir.
-Ken-
Still great people on this earth. I wish every one will read your post.
I too abhor abortion; yet allow fellow citizens the right to make choices that I may not agree with. Roe vs Wade is bad law, States Rights should prevail and even further reserved to "we the people".
If the decision is to abort, I want ZERO support for it from my Government in any manner. Abortion is a very private matter, a decision that should by its very nature tear the soul out and stomp it around for a while. That decision has to be left to the family, father, mother their church and their conscience. Mans earthly imperfections will be judged later by God.
So from my point of view the reason the system we have in this country works is its pendulum like nature - it's elasticity...
I am pro choice and anti abortion.
No - you say it's not possible to be both.
I think that the right to choose is very important - that we should never have a total ban on abortions.
I don't want my tax dollars paying for it - I I believe that their should always be some guilt or shame or angst attached to the act.
I don't think it should be easy and regret free like the system in many European countries - like getting a hang nail fixed.
We are a religious nation still and there are moral implications.
But my country - my courts must see a broader picture.
I don't want to be part of a society that has a complete ban on the act.
My supporting the right to choose is not the same as my supporting the act.
Most bill of rights - serious constitutional issues carry this baggage.
I support the right to keep and bear arms. I don't want to be part of a society that has a complete ban on the act.
But I do support limitations on who can own and what they can own.
I support freedom of the press but I don't approve of much that is published.
I believe that most citizens live in this gray area - that the American opinion is much more complex and nuanced than yes or no or black and white.
You know that the courts have come close to getting things right when most peoples on both sides of an issue at greatly dissatisfied.
The true nature of our great society is that while we share core values we disagree greatly on the fine details. And we debate the merits and explore the avenues completely from the bar and diner to the Supreme Court and comparative religious pulpits.
The way we know it's working is the constant state of change and challenge and charge of current that shapes the national discourse.
I consider myself a conservative Republican and a roman Catholic.
But I don't ever espouse or vote the party line or Vatican doctrine.
I am me - not a label or series of descriptors.
We need rules and we need those rules to be in a constant state of flux.
Stagnation is a slow death.
This position garners me a lot of anger and ire and astonished attacks.
I don't want to live in an all green pasture surrounded by identical bleating sheep complacently awaiting slaughter.
Being civic minded and politically active is a good thing regardless of the motivation or issue.
And I can support someone being active without endorsing their point of view.
Balkanization and compartmentalization are killing us.
There is no longer a civil discourse or support of respectful and legal civic minded activity because to many of us are to filled with hate.
So many of us surround ourselves with media and membership and monuments to only our narrow cause and we miss out on the wonderful patchwork nature of our national tapestry.
We are a republic - not a democracy because everyone should have a voice.
Too much of knee jerk reactionary obligatory hate here somedays.
Mike
Mike, I am a born and raised Catholic, and I believe as you....I am a pro lifer as well as pro choice person...God Bless anyones decision....
You remind me of 10 Bears, "Your words have iron in them."
Glad to know ya.
Scott
Mike Sir, you are a Man of rare character.
I am proud to able to share the same forum with you Sir.
-Ken-
Ken. you should meet Mike in Person. You won't meet a nicer gentleman. The pleasure was all mine. He is well spoken of at his club, as well as his father. Mikes father and my father knew each other, in the gun business. Great family. Oakie
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
Mike Sir, you are a Man of rare character.
I am proud to able to share the same forum with you Sir.
-Ken-
Ken. you should meet Mike in Person. You won't meet a nicer gentleman. The pleasure was all mine. He is well spoken of at his club, as well as his father. Mikes father and my father knew each other, in the gun business. Great family. Oakie
Oakie,
I would love to meet both Mike, and you in person. My Son still lives in N. Jersey. If I am ever up that way, you two will be on my must contact list.
-Ken-