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On this date.... Waco
Mr. Perfect
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Today, in 1993, the federal government gassed and burned alive 76 men, women, and children in Waco, TX... all because the government didn't approve of their religion and lifestyle.
And of course, Lon Horiuchi, you know, the guy who murdered Vikki Weaver by shooting her through the door, was right there at Waco. When you need murdering of innocent Americans done, he's the guy, apparently.
And of course, Lon Horiuchi, you know, the guy who murdered Vikki Weaver by shooting her through the door, was right there at Waco. When you need murdering of innocent Americans done, he's the guy, apparently.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
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just think what would happen if a BLM or NAACP meeting was taking place and the same thing occurred to the group
The 84 Innocents killed as a result of an illegal operation, condoned by USG, who authorized the then-secret Delta Force to train and assist the Federal Hit Teams who backed up the local Sheriffs, that lied about a drug lab Nexus and child abuse to green light the disastrous "raid", that resulted in a fire that consumed crucial evidence (along with everyone else); have yet to be remembered as part of Political Ambition's collateral damage.
Same goes for the 12 survivors that were immediately prosecuted, railroaded, and incarcerated.
So much for the FBI'S image then.....
quote:Originally posted by Oklahoma223
It is illegal in the United States of America for an adult to have sexual relations with underage children as David Koresh did. It is illegal to shoot ATF agents. Not to be shallow, it is truly a sad and unfortunate tragedy and I feel for the children involved. But those people could have peacefully surrendered and walked out of that place at any time.Yes it is illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with underage children. That is not a justification for how they ended up dying, or their children.
They could have surrendered peacefully... or they could have been blown away as they did it. would you risk vindication (death) by the feds, considering the fact that you have already killed four of them in their initial surprise attempt at penetration? Would you trust the intentions of that paramilitary force that surrounded your place, taking into account their hostile operations, guns pointed at you, snipers everywhere and out of view of the public? or would you rather wall yourself up and negotiate, avoiding open hostilities, assuming you had the power to? That would have been a way to peaceful surrender.
After 51 days when push came to shove and the feds were smashing into the building with their APC's filling the place with tear gas and basically driving their tanks through their front room, about to swarm the place, and as far as they knew already had, would you feel safe dropping your gun and making a run outside to surrender? most assuredly, they thought it was time to fight or die, they had no choice. and as you can see, they died even before they got a chance to fight.
As for the initial surprise attempt at penetration by the feds, that was a fine line drawn that obviously one side thought was here and the other side thought was there. the overlap got those four agents killed. the feds thought they had the right, the authority and the power to blast their way in there and tell them to put their hands up. -which I won't argue that point right now, maybe they did, maybe they didn't. However, the occupants believed they had the right to repulse the attack, and they did so.
This entire incident was a prime example of "who can make who do what", which was carried out completely irregardless of whose side the law actually was on. Which may serve as a reminder to us all, that in the end, it does not matter whose side the law is on, only who can force who to do what.
We as a society have given power to the government, that we as the public may have an authority to live under, to protect the weak among us, bring justice to those criminals too strong to reign in ourselves, and allow us to live under the rule of law: not to be ruled by men, but to be ruled by law. Again, you see here the conditions, that time and place, under which the rule of law meant nothing. And you see the level of conflict.
You see the purpose of our right to bear arms. These grey areas may appear again sometime, and who knows on what scale. The right of the people to resist tyrrany, repulse men who would take control of power, and in fact, resist greivous illegalities by any governmental authorities, IS FOREVER OURS AS STATED IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
Recently watched another in-depth 2 hr Special on the fiasco. All those in charge interviewed after the fact, struck me as extremely smug Bassturds. At the end of watching it, I was quite angry.
They could have easily taken David Koresh in town, and avoided the standoff and subsequent "Raid."
All in all, a very sad day in American History.
Recently watched another in-depth 2 hr Special on the fiasco. All those in charge interviewed after the fact, struck me as extremely smug Bassturds. At the end of watching it, I was quite angry.
They could have easily taken David Koresh in town, and avoided the standoff and subsequent "Raid."
Yup.
Or the "authorities" could have used the phone, and asked for Mr Koresh.
But that's a non-starter for the recently savaged BATF/FBI that was still reeling from the tragic situation they caused in Ruby Ridge.
They needed some positive press, and the best way to do that was to seek out and persecute a Religious group with strange ideas about the coming Apocalypse.
They were described as a cult, wackos, child molesters, accused of manufacturing illegal drugs and machine guns, and reactivating memento grenades.
It's no wonder that the cabal of Goobermint had decided to "fix" the PR problem by singling out a group of American citizens, and feeding fake news to their shills in the media.
The 6 years after the goobermint deliberately killed those citizens were then clouded by the show trial & subsequent incarceration of survivors of the "raid".
Truly an example of Goobermint "of the people, by the people, and Screw the people."
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quote:Originally posted by Oklahoma223
It is illegal in the United States of America for an adult to have sexual relations with underage children as David Koresh did. It is illegal to shoot ATF agents. Not to be shallow, it is truly a sad and unfortunate tragedy and I feel for the children involved. But those people could have peacefully surrendered and walked out of that place at any time.Yes it is illegal for an adult to have sexual relations with underage children. That is not a justification for how they ended up dying, or their children.
They could have surrendered peacefully... or they could have been blown away as they did it. would you risk vindication (death) by the feds, considering the fact that you have already killed four of them in their initial surprise attempt at penetration? Would you trust the intentions of that paramilitary force that surrounded your place, taking into account their hostile operations, guns pointed at you, snipers everywhere and out of view of the public? or would you rather wall yourself up and negotiate, avoiding open hostilities, assuming you had the power to? That would have been a way to peaceful surrender.
After 51 days when push came to shove and the feds were smashing into the building with their APC's filling the place with tear gas and basically driving their tanks through their front room, about to swarm the place, and as far as they knew already had, would you feel safe dropping your gun and making a run outside to surrender? most assuredly, they thought it was time to fight or die, they had no choice. and as you can see, they died even before they got a chance to fight.
As for the initial surprise attempt at penetration by the feds, that was a fine line drawn that obviously one side thought was here and the other side thought was there. the overlap got those four agents killed. the feds thought they had the right, the authority and the power to blast their way in there and tell them to put their hands up. -which I won't argue that point right now, maybe they did, maybe they didn't. However, the occupants believed they had the right to repulse the attack, and they did so.
This entire incident was a prime example of "who can make who do what", which was carried out completely irregardless of whose side the law actually was on. Which may serve as a reminder to us all, that in the end, it does not matter whose side the law is on, only who can force who to do what.
We as a society have given power to the government, that we as the public may have an authority to live under, to protect the weak among us, bring justice to those criminals too strong to reign in ourselves, and allow us to live under the rule of law: not to be ruled by men, but to be ruled by law. Again, you see here the conditions, that time and place, under which the rule of law meant nothing. And you see the level of conflict.
You see the purpose of our right to bear arms. These grey areas may appear again sometime, and who knows on what scale. The right of the people to resist tyrrany, repulse men who would take control of power, and in fact, resist greivous illegalities by any governmental authorities, IS FOREVER OURS AS STATED IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
Some of the best several paragraphs I have seen/read posted here on GBGD.
Well done Sir.
I concur.
BTT because today marks the 30th anniversary of the siege that led to this tragedy.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Still hard to fathom that something like that could take place in America....
Todays generation have never heard of it.
Sad then, sad now.
Bill Clintons biggest mistake, Janet Reno.
NEVER FORGET
When all the guns have been banned,
When all the words have been censored,
When all the history has been erased,
When all the freedom has been taken,
Only then will you discover why our right to bear arms was so high on the list.
Rest in Peace Lavoy Finnicum ----------------------------Ray
I was 13 years old and remember it all well. David Koresh was a wack job but murdering women and children? The Democrats were Commies then and Commies today.
Didn't Oaklahoma City happened right after that?
"Independence Now, Independence Forever."
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Reno was purposefully chosen by Clinton.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
this ties into who you trust more than the government post
Remember that I was homeschooled... And followed world events closely.
"Independence Now, Independence Forever."
John Adams