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Period Correct 30 WCF Rear Sight

QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
edited November 2014 in Ask the Experts
I have what I believe to be a 1916 Winchester Model 1894 based upon the serial number of 826915. Other than that I do not know what specific type it is:

.30 WCF
Curved butt stock with metal plate
20" barrel, muzzle to bolt face
full length magazine
not saddle ring
non enhanced wood

The other question I have is what is the period correct rear sight to match the Marbles Sheard brass/bronze bead blade front sight that is 0.495" tall from top of barrel to top of bead?

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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to add pics but apparently I do not know how. Can someone assist in this matter?
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  • cbyerlycbyerly Member Posts: 689 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    They have a number 22 rear sight of which there are six variations.
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When you say No. 22 is that a Winchester number or a Marbles number?

    What are the differences between the 6 variations?
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  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You need to post your pictures at an online site in order to get them here. Photobucket work for me but I got a lot of spam email after I opened a free account. I'd open a new junk email account before starting a photobucket one.

    Follow the directions in this link. http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does it have two barrel bands, or a nose-cap on the end of the forend stock?

    The serial number does make it a 1916 vintage Model 1894. Without a saddle ring, I would suspect that it is a rifle versus a carbine, but the 20-inch barrel was standard for the carbines.

    Send a message to me via GunBroker so that you can send pictures directly to me.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • mango tangomango tango Member Posts: 3,833 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Octagon or round barrel?
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mango - It is a round barrel

    Bert H - It has a barrel/magazine band just in front of the front sight and has a forend band about 2" back from the end of the wood. There is no end cap on the end of the forend.

    I don't find a big button on this page or on GunBroker that says "Email Bert HERE". Some clarification would be appreciated.
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  • Mark GMark G Member Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by QbertH
    Mango - It is a round barrel

    Bert H - It has a barrel/magazine band just in front of the front sight and has a forend band about 2" back from the end of the wood. There is no end cap on the end of the forend.

    I don't find a big button on this page or on GunBroker that says "Email Bert HERE". Some clarification would be appreciated.


    Click on his name. That will bring up his profile. One of the options is "send an e-mail".
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is the real question, what is the correct rear sight to match this front sight, height, top of barrel to top of bead, 0.495"

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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/QbertH/media/IMG_1114_zps54128b26.jpg.html?o=8

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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, looks like my last attempt actually worked . . . sort of. It links to pics of the 30 WCF.
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  • MG1890MG1890 Member Posts: 4,460 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Q, it is a carbine. Not a 20" barreled rifle style, and probably had a saddle ring at its conception. This firearm looks to be the standard catalog carbine.

    The front sight is probably not original, I don't think the rear is either.

    If mine, I would find an original Winchester front sight and a Winchester carbine style rear sight. A matching Marbles rear sight could be found in a 1916 era Marbles catalog, probably Google Images would show a picture of the catalog page, and you could hunt the auctions for the sight.

    Rear sight height probably won't be an issue, they probably only came in one height.
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    MG - If it would have had a SR on it at one time wouldn't it have an extra hole or screw filling an extra hole on the side of the receiver just above and between the lever pivot and the trigger pivot screws? I've seen reference to an "Eastern" carbine, could mine be one of those?

    With regard to the front sight, I guess some previous owner could have removed the original blade and installed the Marbles that it has now. What are the period correct part numbers for the front and rear carbine sights?

    I'm not trying to do a complete "restoration" as one might for a "collectors" piece, just trying to make a functional firearm that is as period correct as I can so I can experience what it was like "out of the box" as it were. I have a 1899 Springfield 30-40 Krag that I've do this to and enjoy shooting it in its "original" condition. I do get some odd looks from the younger crowd at the range who tend to have AR's and new bolt rifles when I bring it to the range.
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  • MG1890MG1890 Member Posts: 4,460 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, if no holes hole for the saddle ring staple stud, then yes, it could have came without one.

    I don't know the part numbers.

    Still I vote for Winchester sights. I'll look for an auction with the correct sight setup so you can see a picture.

    Try auction #451491796. Is this your rifle minus the saddle ring?? These are the sights I would put on it...
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  • QbertHQbertH Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks MG, they could be brother/sister guns.

    Those are the sights I want, just need to somehow identify them by some kind of number so I can search for the correct ones.
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