Fairland66's post about 280 Rem

bigbill0910

What was the timeline on the 280 Rem.?
I thought it started out as a 7MMRemington express and was changed to 280 to avoid confusion. This is only a question, not arguing the point.
I own a 7400 Remington 7MM express that I always used with 280 cartridges. Thanks

dcs shooters

Isn't that a pissing contest between Rem+Win [?]

317wc

I too am curious about the reasoning I own a 760 in .270 that came with a magazine mared for both .280/and 7mm Express

Hawk Carse

It was originally .280 Remington.
They tried to jazz up sales by renaming it 7mm Rem. Express, but soon changed it back to .280.
I think they had too many customers who couldn't tell the difference between "express" and "magnum" so they changed it back.

I have read that there were a few marked 7mm '06 Remington, which it is NOT, and they got away from that quickly. Supposedly none made it to the dealers.

rufe-snow

Believe that HC, is on the right track. But it wasn't only the "customers"! Face it, some of the folks working in the emporiums that firearms and ammo are sold, aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

In recent years folks have become more knowledgeable, about the metric system, as it used to identify specific types of ammo. Back 40+ years ago. Lot of the folks that sold ammo didn't have a clue. You walked in asking for 7 or 8mm. They would hand you a box of the most common ones. The 7 X 57 or 8 X 57 military ammo.




EDIT #1,

Although I have nothing to prove this. I always felt this was one of the prime reasons that Remington dumped the 8mm Remington Magnum. To many unknowledgeable folks trying to shoot the 8mm Mauser military cartridge in it.

PA Shootist

Buying correct ammunition is still a problem today. An acquaintance called me and asked what could be wrong with his Savage 99 .308, it wouldn't feed ammo he just bought. Now this man is definitely not a gun-savvy guy. Turns out he went to big store, asked for 308 cartridges, kid at big store asked him what gun it was for. He replied a lever-action Savage, so the kid sold him Hornady LeveRevolution ammo for .308 Marlin Express. Guess kid figured they are made for lever-action .308's... Thank goodness they wouldn't feed!

savage170

It was changed to 7mm express in 1979 in a effort to increase sales and changed back to 280 Remington in 1981 after to many was confusing it with the 7mmm magnum

nononsense

"The .280 Remington was designed in 1957 by Remington Arms Company for the 700 series rifles. The parent case is a .30-06 Springfield, and is narrowed down to fit the .284 inch (7.2mm) bullet. The semi- automatic 740 was the first rifle Remington used for the .280 factory loads with a psi of 48,000 to 50,000 for 150 grain bullets. The ballistic performances based off five grain types for velocity are 3,112 ft/s (120 gr), 2,839 ft/s (140 gr), 2,825 ft/s (154 gr), 2,723 ft/s (168 gr), 2,681 ft/s (175 gr).

Remington changed (increased) the powder charge of the .280 factory load in 1979 and re-named the .280 Remington to the 7mm Express Remington. After some confusion on the market they reversed the name change back two years later to the .280 Remington. The factory loads consist of 140-150 grain cartridges that are best suited for medium sized game."

The .280 Remington has been joined now by the .280 Ackley Improved manufactured and marketed by Nosler, Inc. You can also buy just the formed brass and reload if you want to.

Buying correct ammunition should never be a problem for the firearm owner. He or she should always know what ammunition is correct for their particular firearm. Firearms owners need to be responsible for buying or reloading the proper ammunition for their firearms. There is no excuse for not knowing.

Best.

ADDED:

"The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. The .280 is based on the .30-06 Springfield necked down to accept 7 mm (.284in) bullets, with the neck moved forward .050in (1.27mm). Original loadings were 125, 150 and 165 grain bullet weights.

Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales; Remington renamed the cartridge in 1979, calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. This resulted in people confusing it with the 7 mm Remington Magnum and Remington two years later changed the name back to .280 in 1981."

Simply an oversight by some authors... because I thought we were discussing timelines...

quote:Nonsense, I am sure you know it is more complicated than that.

I'm sure you realize that it's 'nononsense'...

Best.

perry shooter

Nononsense are you sure the 740 was the first rifle chambered for the 280 I have a Model 725 early gun in 280.

Hawk Carse

quote:The parent case is a .30-06 Springfield, and is narrowed down to fit the .284 inch (7.2mm) bullet.

Nonsense, I am sure you know it is more complicated than that.
The shoulder is .05" farther forward, supposedly to prevent cramming a .280 round into a .270 chamber and demolishing it with bullet pinch.

Perry, the legend was that Remington introduced the .280 in the 740 as a round with no higher pressure than .30-06 but with lighter bullets.
The .270 was for a long time the highest pressure round loaded here and they were said not to be sure of it in the auto.

Mobuck

I think they had too many customers who couldn't tell the difference between "express" and "magnum" so they changed it back.

That is correct.

bigbill0910

Thank you all very much! Man what great answers!