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.45 acp vs. .40

bald_cobald_co Member Posts: 21 ✭✭
edited May 2006 in Ask the Experts
I have been a revolver shooter all my life, but am considering buying a pistol. I know that there is a huge following supporting the .45acp and the 1911 pistol. My question is: if the pistols were the same why would I buy a .45acp at 850fps / 18,000 cup when I could have a .40 at 1300fps / 36,000 cup? It seems that the .40 is the more potent round all things equal. What am I missing, and its not bullet weight because you can get 200gr .40 bullets?

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    mballaimballai Member Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First off, you don't want a heavy bullet in a 40S&W. There's enough pressure issues in that department as it is.

    The reason for the 40 is that you pack more ammo in the same size gun. You also have a gun that provides more potential barrier penetration although this has been superseded by the 357SIG. All other things considered the 45 is still numero uno if you aren't contending with getting a round through a car door and the like. I also think it's easier to shoot a 45 than the 40, easier to reload as well, and has many more gun and ammo choices as well.

    I like both calibers, but the 45 remains a more overall versatile choice for a shooter.
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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bald_co
    have a .40 at 1300fps / 36,000 cup? It seems that the .40 is the more potent round all things equal. What am I missing, and its not bullet weight because you can get 200gr .40 bullets?



    Seems to me that the above data regarding heavy bullets at 1300fps, is 10mm data not .40 S & W. The bullet diameters are the same, but the 10mm cartridge is able to propel the heavier 180 & 200 grain bullets at higher velocity with less chance of a KABOOM! A number of manufacturers either have made or are now making 1911 type pistols chambered for the 10mm. Forget the 40 S & W, if your intending on shooting heavy bullets at high velocity, go with the 10mm.
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    temblortemblor Member Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bald_co
    I have been a revolver shooter all my life, but am considering buying a pistol. I know that there is a huge following supporting the .45acp and the 1911 pistol. My question is: if the pistols were the same why would I buy a .45acp at 850fps / 18,000 cup when I could have a .40 at 1300fps / 36,000 cup? It seems that the .40 is the more potent round all things equal. What am I missing, and its not bullet weight because you can get 200gr .40 bullets?

    If the guns were the same they would have to be large 45 frame size guns. If you want to carry that big a gun, I'd rather have the 45acp for defensive purposes.
    Only real advantage the 40s&w has is it will fit in a smaller frame size(9mm size) gun that is lighter in weight and easier to conceal.
    To make 1300fps in the 40 you'd have to drop down to around a 130gr bullet like the one Nosler makes, and 200gr bullets don't load well in the 40. If you want that heavy a bullet go with the 45acp.
    Just my .02 cents...................
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    dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 40 is not a bad round, but I don't know where that 200 grn/1,300 fps comes from. Even with handloads you get 1,200 fps max with a 155 JHP & 950 fps with a 200 JHP. That's not bad.

    The 45 ACP does 1,050 with 185 JHP & & 950 fps with a 230 JHP. I think that's a little better.
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    leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    .40s&w 155gr 1205fps 500ft/lbs Winchester Silvertip JHP
    10mm 175gr 1290fps 649ft/lbs Winchester Silvertip JHP
    .45acp 200gr 1055fps/494ft lbs Hornady XTP+P
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    7.62x397.62x39 Member Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Also if you are considering a .40 S&W or a 45ACP, I would take the .45,
    First off it has a bigger whole the second it hits
    Also it would not overpenerterate and all of its energy would be dumped in the the target.
    Also for practice there is plety of cheap ammo...
    ...and the 45ACP has a wider bullet selection.
    Basicly the 45 is king, slow but steady
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    besides all of the regular arguments as to why have a .45 over a .40, if you have fired both, and both where of equal power you would know that the larger diameter of the .45 bore makes recoil much much smoother, this translates into better shooting, and recovery shots
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    bald_cobald_co Member Posts: 21 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks everyone for the input. I got the data from the IMR reloading booklet that I picked up at the NRA national meeting last weekend. I was NOT saying that a 200gr .40 S&W goes 1300fps, just that there are 200gr bullets available for it. As a Marine I shot the 92f very well, at work we have the .40 (free brass for me) but I also like the 1911 very much, so I am torn!
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    dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why be torn - the obvious answer you'll get both, right?
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    FrogbertFrogbert Member Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You want higher energy in a 1911 .45, then try the Cor-Bon 165 grain Pow'RBall:

    PB45165/20 45 AUTO +P 165 GR. PB 1225 FPS 550 FTLBS 5.0


    http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/powrball.htm
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