What Kind of Ammo Do I Have?

Fairlane66

I just bought two cardboard boxes full of mixed ammo, some I intend to use and the rest will sell. I was familiar with everything in the two boxes except the following, and I was hoping you experts could tell me what I have and possibly what it's worth.

1. I have four NOS boxes of Peters High Velocity 280 Remington ammo (80 total rounds) loaded with 100 Grain, Protected Point Expanding bullets. Shelf number is 2813. OK, 280 Remington....got it, not too unusual. However, these four boxes are pristine and the ammo is factory, not reloads. Internet research suggests they were produced in 1960, 54 years ago, and the rounds are still bright and shiny. Three questions about this ammo. First, the bullets appear to be what Remington used to call Bronze Points, but the boxes are labeled Protected Point Expanding. Are Bronze Points and Protected Point Expanding bullets the same thing or is there a difference? Second, given the age and condition, is this ammo collectible or shootable? Third, any idea what it might be worth/box? As far as the last question, I'm just wondering. If it's collectible, I'll probably put it on the auction side one box at a time. If it's shooter ammo, I'll probably auction all four at the same time and start it out at a penny.

2. There are two round plastic red-and-yellow canisters of a 6MM rimfire ammo I'm unfamiliar with. One is open and the other is sealed, but both contain 100 rounds. They are labeled "100 Flobert-Patronen CB Caps, Cartouches Balle Conique, 6MM Spitzkugein. They are made in Germany by RWS, Dynamit Nobel. I looked on the auction side and found 6mm blanks, but the ones I have are obviously loaded with projectiles. I couldn't find any of this exact type on the auction side. Two questions. First, what kind of rifle are these loaded for and what's the intended purpose? I assume it's for low velocity plinking in congested environments. Second, given the continuing short supply of rimfire cartridges on today's market, any idea of what each canister is worth? Again, I plan to put them on the auction side starting at a penny, but just would like to satisfy my curiosity.

Thanks in advance for the help.

MG1890

I'll take a stab -

The .280 ammo is somewhat collectible. I'd price it at $40 a box.

The 6mm RWS ammo is actually .22 caliber, and I have this exact same package and contents. Have fired quite a few in single shot .22's. Value might be $15 to $20 a can..

Shipping costs will make the ammo prices unattractive to buyers. Best to sell locally, in my opinion.

perry shooter

The 6mm CB caps rimfire was for a lowpower target rifle They used to have indoor matches with fancy single shot rifles. very limited market will not bring much $$ if just one person sees your ad that has a rifle they fit but good news is intodays world if they are hard to find and 2 or more people wqnt them they may bring GOOD money. Be aware to legally ship ammo it cost alot . DO NOT EVER try to ship via USPS if caught you go to jail

Fairlane66

I just read you can shoot the 6MM Flobert cartridges in a modern 22 Rimfire. True or false? If so, any danger of shooting them in a 22 rifle? I have a real pest problem in my yard and no neighbors close by. If they work in a 22, I might just use them to clean up my varmint problem.

babun

Yes those 6mm cb caps are very low power .22's.
They sell new for $32 to $39 per 100.

http://www2.caswells.com/product.waltherrws-flobert-cartridges-6mm-22-cal-cb-cap-83

http://www.twinportsmunitions.com/product.waltherrws-flobert-cartridges-6mm-22-cal-cb-cap

..and if you are crazy, you could try to get big money for them[:o)]
{these are bb caps which have the round bullets, not pointed like the cb
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=451614563

Cheechako

The Peters Protected Point was a pre-war patented bullet that was popular in it's day. It was one of the most complicated expanding bullets ever designed. It was expensive to make which is one of the reasons it was eventually discontinued. That, and the introduction of simpler designs that worked as well or better.

It's interesting that you found several boxes of them. I did not know that they were still being made at that late date. Do they look like the ones shown below? They are collectable but it's hard to say how much they are worth simply because there are not too many guys who collect stuff like that. I'd list them at a reasonable starting price and see what happens.

Ray

Fairlane66

Ray,

Yes, the rounds look much like the one you've pictured, but the taper between the bullet and the tip is much more smooth, as if the bullet were actually one piece. Also, the tip on the rounds I have is very much bronze in color, which makes me think they're actually a forerunner of Remington's Bronze Point bullets.

Interestingly enough, the Bronze Point bullets were the rage when I was a kid in the mid to late 60s. My grandfather had a rifle range he charged patrons .50 to use. When it wasn't occupied, my brother and I would forage through the backstops for bullets and the like. A prized find would be the bronze point from a Remington round and we collected a jar full over time. From this experience, it appears the rounds I have could be Bronze Point bullets. I guess it really doesn't matter and I don't plan to rip one apart to find out.

Again, thanks for your response.

Cheechako

The Bronze Point started as the Brass Point. It was a CN bullet with the brass point blackened for contrast and as a selling point (left in photo). Later, the name was changed to Bronze Point (middle in photo).

I'm wondering if your boxes used the old name of Protected Point, which was the Peters name, for sales purposes and the cartridges are actually Bronze Points which was the Remington name. Peters was owned by Remington.

Very interesting boxes.

Ray

Fairlane66

The rounds I have look exactly like the one in the center. I suspect they are Bronze Points, but that would be total supposition on my part. However, they certainly look the same.

deerhide

I have a Flobert 'garden gun' that uses that ammo. It's a cute (I don't know how else to describe it) 'femme' design. It has a flip block, I guess, action which doesn't work too good. I have shot a few .22 short shells out of it. It just hangs there.........

the yooper

Quote: "Interestingly enough, the Bronze Point bullets were the rage when I was a kid in the mid to late 60s."

Well, that verifies my "old-fart" status. I've hunted with the Bronze Point in both '06 and 270 for years and find them DEADLY on deer and antelope size critters. I felt lucky to run across a couple boxes of each caliber recently and added them to my reloading cabinet. Unfortunately, I was a kid in the mid to late '40's. [:(]
yooper