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Mauser 9x57 Stutzen
roadhunter02
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Does any one know the value of a 9x57 Mauser Stutzen Short Rifle? It has wood all the way to the tip of the muzzle I tried to get good pictures? I'm new at this. The numbers on it are 8,85.91.360 on the right side. Underneath the bottom is 108,49. It also has the letters O and B with little crowns over them. The serial is 77543 and all the numbers match on all parts of the gun. The information everyone has given me is very helpful, does anyone have a value? I've looked and can not find this one listed in any of my books. Again, Thank you to all that are helping me! [img][/img]
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I {EDIT:} show two versions of what is called the Mauser sporter: Military Model, and Short model. Yours in 9x57 shows it should be the military version. I have a price of $600.00 in my book of a couple years past. I know that that is waaaay too low. Especially since the civilian version runs about $3300.00 in three other calibers.
These were manufactured prior to WWI as you may already know.
If for selling or insurance purposes I would put a minimum of $1500.00 on it. And since I don't see them that often it might be higher than that. If selling and someone doesn't buy then drop the price.
This would make all the difference in the world as far as value is concerned.
Just because a rifle has been sporterized in the manner, and gives the appearance of being a early original Mauser sporter, doesn't mean it value would be the same.
It does appear that the recoil pad has been added. This would have quite a negative affect on value if the rifle is a original commercial Mauser sporter.
It's a nice rifle no matter what it turns out to really be! Fortunately, we have the opportunity to try to help you identity it with some more help from you.
In general, the biggest drawback is that awful recoil pad that somebody thought was a good idea...
We need a lot more information in order to assess the real identity of your Stutzen rifle. The serial number is a good place to start. Better photographs taken outside rather that with the flash on the carpet would be a big help. Views of the top of the action, each side of the action, and a description of all of the marks found on the rifle and the barrel. If you can take the barreled action out of the stock more of the important information will be seen. If you can get good pictures of the marks found underneath the stock, we can tell you a lot more.
There is the potential that this is a Model 'S' Stutzen rifle made by Mauser from the end of WW I until late 1944. A few were even assembled during the French occupation after WW II. There are enough visual clues that support this. The 9 X 57 chambering was the most popular.
Better pictures of the important features and more about the marks found on the rifle would be the best help you can provide.
Best.
Your description of the markings, seem to identify them, and the rifle as being pre W W II German.
There is no way of knowing at this late date, but my WAG is that it was made by a skilled German gunsmith from what was originally a military rifle and might have been brought back to the States by a GI as a war souvenir.
Excellent!
The serial number and the fact that the number is on all the parts indicates that this rifle was made late 1913 or very early 1914.
I think you have the Crown over 'B' and 'U' (not 'O') which indicates the rifle being accepted as proved in final assembly.
Now here is where things get a little confusing when we can't see the number as they are stamped on the rifle:
8,85 is usually the bore diameter of the 9mm Mauser.
9.1 is the groove diameter of the 9mm Mauser.
360 is a reference to the twist rate in mm's which is 1:14" according to factory records.
But...
108,49 is usually a reference to the older gauge sizing of the barrel which in this case indicates that it is a 9.3mm Mauser or another 9.3 cartridge. But these particular Carbine Mausers were not released in a cartridge larger than the 9mm such as the 9.3 x 57 cartridge or any of the larger 9.3 cartridges. This cartridge (9.3 x 57) was usually reserved for use in the Swedish Mausers. The gauge numbers are considered to be 'awkward' and somewhat inaccurate so I think the other numbers suggest that this is a true 9mm Mauser. In an effort to be as careful as possible, you might want to cast the chamber and part of the barrel in order to determine which cartridge you have exactly.
That pretty much sums up what you've given us. If there is any writing on the barrel rib or elsewhere please pass it on.
Nice rifle and good luck!
Best.
Not being a Mauser commercial product, the pad, and the caliber, would be some of the factors affecting it's resale value, though.
I found my list of factory records so I could check your rifle against what could have been shipped.
Your rifle is a Mauser Model S Carbine with an ordering code of 'yaucy' and #242 as the ordering number which indicated the features requested on your rifle. There were no Model S carbines released in any 9.3 cartridges since the factory stated that the original 20" (790mm) barrels "were not suffizient (yes it's a 'z') for the complete combustion and utilisation of the considerably greater charge of powder and consequently, for the desired accuracy." - from the original factory ordering description.
Here's what I found out about the pad. The original buttplate supplied with the rifle was either horn, plastic or metal approximately 10mm (0.400") thick at the top but tapering down to 5mm (0.200") at the bottom. The interesting part of this is that the factory length of pull for these Carbines was 13" (512mm) instead of the more traditional American standardization of 13-1/2". My guess is that the later owner wanted the longer length of pull so they removed the original buttplate and screwed on the current ugly but thicker and more cushioned pad. This pad will be the single biggest distraction from an otherwise nice Stutzen rifle.
I suggest first measuring the length of pull from the center of the trigger curve to the center of the end of the wood on the buttstock. If it's close to 13" (which included the buttplate), then I would call Hoosier Gun Works to ask if they have a commercial Mauser buttplate. They have an online catalog so you can take a look at their website first. This will NOT restore your rifle to factory original but it will look original as opposed to having that awful pad. The proper pre-WW I buttplate should have the 3 letters 'WFM' intertwined just above center and have two screw holes (one each top and bottom) in the center of a solid 6-sided star.
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/
The 9 x 57 Mauser cartridge is a commercial cartridge and has nothing to do with being military. It was derived from the 8 x 57 Mauser cartridge shortly after 1888 but it was chambered in commercial rifles only. It was very popular in Africa for non-dangerous game. The 9 x 57 Mauser was the most popular cartridge chambering used in both Carbines.
As far as value is concerned, you will have to do some more searching and looking. I don't even attempt to keep track of values since most of the values are not realistic anyway.
Thanks for sharing your rifle with us!
Best.