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iver johnson

mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
edited January 2009 in Ask the Experts
Anyone no what model and what years they were made?
On the barrel its says 20 guage choke bore barrel and lug forged in one. On the receiver it says Iver Johnson's Arms & cycle works Fitchburg Mass USA

I think the Locking Bolt Spring is broken.
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  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I inherited an Iver Johnson Cadet .22 pistol Model 55-sa from my father-in-laws estate. It appears to be in very good cond. Does anyone out there know any approximate values? Anything will help. Thanks.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a model 57A target. It has the same grips as the model 55. Can any one tell me the differance between the two.
    It has a small spur inside the trigger guard but behind the trigger, any clue as to what this is for. The screw holding the front sight fell out, any one tell me where i can get another or maybe what size it is. The gun is a straight shooter and is a great piece, would love to find out a little more about it, Any help would be greatly appreciated
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just recently was given a Iver Johnson 12 gauge Shotgun. I was wondering what the Value would be for it. from what I can see it has very minor surface rust and minimal stock scratches. single shot break action. if I decide to keep it should i take it to a gunsmith to have it professionally cleaned and examined? thanks for any advice in advance.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Iver Johnson in the original box model #57A .22 cal.--6 in.BBL. SERIAL NO J30748. Can anyone tell me about this gun?
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am looking for some information on an Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works Champion .410

    There is a date stamped on the gun of 06/15/1915
    Also I believe the serial number is 80924C but I'm not sure.
    Gun is in good to fair condition.

    Can anyone tell me the value of this gun, also if that date is a manufacture date. Is this a gun I should restore to like new condition?
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently aquired an Iver Johnson .32 S&W and I do not have the a way to post pictures, but wish to know what I have. It has a three or four inch barrel, is blue, has black plastic grips with an owl head on them. The serial number is under the grip and I think the first character is an E, but its stamped on the edge of the frame. The other characters are 45055.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i recently came into posession of a single shot .410 Champion produced Iver Johnson's Arms and Cycle works . What attracted me to the piece is that even though the finish is damaged there is no serial number . It is stamped only THGU on all parts . can anyone comment
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have a sxs 12 gage Iver Johnson presentation grade w/2 sets of barrels in figured wood a skeeter model. i was wondering if any one has heard of this gun? buy the way all serial numbers match . this gun has lg.. beavertail and dual ivory sight beads. the story its a one of a kind and was made for a family member of I J?
    thank for the help JSH
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi, I recently acquired a single barrel 20ga iver johnson that has a vent(solid)rib.Is their anyone out there that could tell me approx value.I realize condition means alot.It does have a small chip and crack in the stock.THANKS FOR ANY HELP.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Iver Johnson 32 revolver. How do I find out what year it is? I have the serial #. TT
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    According to W.E.Goforth's book on Iver Johnson firearms,no known first model .22 cal top break revolvers with the single post,side latch have been observed (pg.47) or exsist. Is this true?

    Make love, not war.Be prepared for both.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine has an Iver Johnson shotgun that he would like to know the date of manufacture. All that he has given me is that it is a Champion 12 guage with the serial #55398. Any information about this or a website that I could go to will be greatly appreciated.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have this revolver,Serial # is 21734 Caliber is 38S&W Can anyone give a manufacture date.The serial # is under the left grip panel. Thanks>1FMJ>
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am looking for a part to a pistle that a friend of mine has it is a iver johnson solid 8 and his brother lost the cylender for it can anyone help me find this part
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    have iver johnson 22cal carbine was told it was collectors item was wondering if true, and some ball park on what might be worth i know you would have to see but just an idea. it has four digit serial number

    any help would be apreciated
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    have iver johnson 22cal carbine was told it was collectors item was wondering if true, and some ball park on what might be worth i know you would have to see but just an idea. it has four digit serial number

    any help would be apreciated
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I acquired an iver johnson champion 410
    After extensive research on the serial number I am baffled.
    All i can find are a lettering system but my serial is all numbers.
    every single part on the gun has the same number stamped into it.
    The s/n is 70100 can anyone point me in the right direction to finding any info.


    (Everything else i found points to Mr. Goforth. My condolences to his friends and family)
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an Iver Johnson target sealed eight pistol and was wondering if someone could tell me exactly what caliber this is. I know it is a .22, but no other specifics.

    Thank you
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have a iver johnson pistol that was my greatgrand mothers.ss# 0 or c cant tell 31978. T.16.04 pat pending. It is either a 32 or 38 six shot.Anyone have a guess.looks rough but i think it will shoot just fine.Just need to know 32 or 38.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    looking for rear & fore stock for 20 ga.
  • mrjblack5mrjblack5 Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an old IJ break top revolver. Ser #47141. Any way to tell what DOM is?
  • SNIPERXXSNIPERXX Member Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was manuf between 1909 and 1956. Was probably built long before ser. #'s were required!
  • non mortuusnon mortuus Member Posts: 649 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While some manufactures did put serials on their firearms, rifles and shotguns were not required to have serial numbers till 1968. So stuff made or imported before then may not have a serial.
  • sprintsprint Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The letters "THGU" are, in fact, the serial number 3597.
    Iver Johnson at one time used the letters in "Fitchburg" (where they were made) to represent numbers. F=1, I=2, T=3, etc.

    As there were only 9 letters in the word Fitchburg, an "X" was used for the zero.

    Hope this helps.

    Sprint...
  • hunter7737hunter7737 Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sprint, thanks for that info. All these years i did not know that my 16 ga. Champion marked with IRU everywhere was serial number 287.
  • b.goforthb.goforth Member Posts: 982
    edited November -1
    sprint,
    that is an interesting take on the letter serial number used by iver johnson on the single barrel champion shootgun. however i don't believe it will hold up. i have seen these shotguns that have letters that are not in "fitchburg". one that come to mind was "CXL"

    from my research these letters only were used in the late 1930's and so far i have been unable to determine any patterns in their uses other than they seem to use two letters to four letters but so far none with five or more i have however seen one that actually spelled out the pharse BUGU.

    one piece of information all iver johnson firearms from day one in 1871 have a serial number which is in reality a batch number. even those shotguns manufactured during the 1940's,50's & 60's you just have to hunt for some of them. these numbers were mainly for internal factory use and not meant to identify a certian firearm.

    most of us know that the infamous law of 1968 required a number for all firearms but few realize that the equally infamous law of 1932 required handguns and some other firearms to have a number. machinegus being one of the other required to have a number. the difference is the 1968 law required the number to be visible the 1932 did not.
    bill
  • KevinTKevinT Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bill, I inherited an Iver Johnson top break .32 pistol. What I have been able to find out is that it is a hammerless, free spinning model 2 (with the trigger safety). The SN is B95672 and is found in position 6 of your diagram. The dates on top of the barrel are different than others I've seen. The dates are:
    Apr 6 86, Feb 15 87, May 10 87, Mar 13 88, Aug 25 96

    Have I got things right and is there anything more you can tell me about it?

    Thanks

    Kevin
  • b.goforthb.goforth Member Posts: 982
    edited November -1
    kevin,
    the barrel markings and the serial number with the B letter code indicate this is a early second model safety automatic hammerless revolver. if it has the seperate hammer shroud it was manufactured in 1898 and if the it has the one piece frame it was manufactured in 1899. all first and second model safety automaic revolvers were manufactured for black powder cartridge pressures and are not considered safe with madern ammo.

    for your information the 5 patent date markings on the top of the barrel rib are not seen very often on the small frame models. mostly the 5 patent date markings are seen on the left side of the barrel and on the bottom of the butt strap. the reason for this could be that not many of these early second models have survived.

    SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)
    --1896-1908
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish with blue optional, two frame sizes and three calibers. Hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ? inches; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ? ounces, .32 centerfire 13 ? ounces, large frame with 3 ? inch barrel 17 _ ounces; Height: small frame 3 _ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall all length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ? inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$150
    For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%
    bill
  • zinkzink Member Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Champion solid rib 20ga my grandfather bought new with serial #18600. This was way back before the depression.

    Lance
  • b.goforthb.goforth Member Posts: 982
    edited November -1
    when sprint made his post about the origins of the letters only iver johnson used as serial numbers on single barrel shotguns i was doubtful. after more research on these letter serial numbers i am going to have to agree with him until new information comes to light. i looked at all the data i had on these letter serial numbers and the one i quoted was incorrect. the correct letters were CXI. every one of the letter serial numnbers i have in my data base use only the letters found in FITCHBURG. so he has the correct information. the letters can be translated as he states;F=1, I=2, T=3, C=4, H=5, B=6, U=7, R=8, G=9, X=0
    bill
  • KevinTKevinT Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bill, Thanks for the info.

    How do I identify a Bourne Knuckleduster? How do I know if my revolver has one?

    Thanks

    K
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