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1892 Special Order Gun Questions
critter3030
Member Posts: 29 ✭
Hi Guys. A while back I purchased a gun on GunBroker that I have some questions about. Not sure if it helps but the auction # was 479716362. The description was as follows:
"This auction is for one used Winchester Model 1892 rifle. It is caliber 38 WCF (38-40). Serial # 764290, manufactured approximately 1914. It is equipped with a 24" round barrel and was specially ordered with a 2/3 magazine (measures 16") and a shotgun butt with hard rubber butt plate. This is a scarce configuration and much more so in a full length rifle, most of the Winchesters in this configuration are carbines. Madis rarity tables for the 1892 indicate only 1 of 5 guns were calibers other than 44, 1 of 600 guns had special wood, and 1 of 670 guns had special butt plates. No stats given for special magazine lengths so all in all this is rare! Stocks on this one are sound, no splits or cracks, no swivel holes, never sanded or refinished, just normal usage marks. Bore is very good, bright and shiny with minor light wear and very light pitting. Smooth action, half cock safety seems to function properly. Original sights include the flat top rear and Lyman front with white bead. Finish on receiver gone, barrel about 50% and mag about 75%. Initials "GET" stamped in lower tang near trigger, don't know whose they are. My father said this was always an excellent shooter but have it checked out by a competent gunsmith before firing. I am listing a few firearms from my father's estate so keep checking for more firearms."
Having had the gun for some time now I would say that the description of the guns condition was accurate. The gun is a great shooter which is what I was looking for.
I have tried to confirm the sellers analysis of the rarity of the special order features with little luck. The production date makes a Cody letter out of the question. Can anyone tell me how common the 2/3 magazine and rubber shotgun butt plate are. Especially on a 24 inch round barrel gun.
The bore is a 9 of 10 and the gun is a tack driver so I'm very happy with it. I paid $1,050 for it and felt it was a good deal. Any comments/thoughts on the value of the gun would be appreciated as well.
"This auction is for one used Winchester Model 1892 rifle. It is caliber 38 WCF (38-40). Serial # 764290, manufactured approximately 1914. It is equipped with a 24" round barrel and was specially ordered with a 2/3 magazine (measures 16") and a shotgun butt with hard rubber butt plate. This is a scarce configuration and much more so in a full length rifle, most of the Winchesters in this configuration are carbines. Madis rarity tables for the 1892 indicate only 1 of 5 guns were calibers other than 44, 1 of 600 guns had special wood, and 1 of 670 guns had special butt plates. No stats given for special magazine lengths so all in all this is rare! Stocks on this one are sound, no splits or cracks, no swivel holes, never sanded or refinished, just normal usage marks. Bore is very good, bright and shiny with minor light wear and very light pitting. Smooth action, half cock safety seems to function properly. Original sights include the flat top rear and Lyman front with white bead. Finish on receiver gone, barrel about 50% and mag about 75%. Initials "GET" stamped in lower tang near trigger, don't know whose they are. My father said this was always an excellent shooter but have it checked out by a competent gunsmith before firing. I am listing a few firearms from my father's estate so keep checking for more firearms."
Having had the gun for some time now I would say that the description of the guns condition was accurate. The gun is a great shooter which is what I was looking for.
I have tried to confirm the sellers analysis of the rarity of the special order features with little luck. The production date makes a Cody letter out of the question. Can anyone tell me how common the 2/3 magazine and rubber shotgun butt plate are. Especially on a 24 inch round barrel gun.
The bore is a 9 of 10 and the gun is a tack driver so I'm very happy with it. I paid $1,050 for it and felt it was a good deal. Any comments/thoughts on the value of the gun would be appreciated as well.
Comments
It is what it is. $1051.
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=479716362
Check out the Winchester Collector Forum. On there is Michael and goes buy Twobit. He is doing a survey of 92's and he would probable have some information about the scarcity of your configuration. He is on this site too and Goes by Mod1892.
http://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-model-1892-all-rifle-survey/
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355
Bob
Cody Firearms Member
Winchester Arms Collectors Association Life member
Interesting rifle. Somebody knew exactly what they wanted. I think you paid just about the right price.
Pay no attention to the Madis rarity tables.
For instance, even though the 44WCF is the most common caliber, 44's bring the most money. This rifle does not have special wood.
Seller used those tables to hype it up.
Bob
Cody Firearms Member
Winchester Arms Collectors Association Life member