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When was this Shotgun made?

XeBeastXeBeast Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
edited June 2015 in Ask the Experts
I just inherited a 12 gauge double barrel that my grandfather got from his uncle.
It was made by FAL - Fabrique D'Armes de Liege,
and imported by Decatur Bull & Co., Montreal, Quebec importer.

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    tocamohatocamoha Member Posts: 271 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been repaired .made in Belgium 1875-1905 or so.
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    Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks like they were in operation 1903-1912 but I don't know how to pin it down any closer than that decade.
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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Check the bottom of the barrels, for these markings.


    If it just has the top one without the crown, it was made before 1892.


    The middle one with the crown, means it was made after 1892.







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    babunbabun Member Posts: 11,054 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
    Looks like they were in operation 1903-1912 but I don't know how to pin it down any closer than that decade.


    Agreed, but I would increase it to about 1920.
    Imitation twist barrels were popular about 1902 to 1915.
    Back then the Damascus barrel was the "better" barrel. So makers
    offered the new steel tube barrel with iron strips wound around them to look like Damascus.
    The 1902 Sears Catalog offers the shotguns with choice of "fluid steel", Damascus, Imitation. Some times even in the same model of gun.
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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by babun
    quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
    Looks like they were in operation 1903-1912 but I don't know how to pin it down any closer than that decade.


    Agreed, but I would increase it to about 1920.
    Imitation twist barrels were popular about 1902 to 1915.
    Back then the Damascus barrel was the "better" barrel. So makers
    offered the new steel tube barrel with iron strips wound around them to look like Damascus.
    The 1902 Sears Catalog offers the shotguns with choice of "fluid steel", Damascus, Imitation. Some times even in the same model of gun.




    Do to the German invasion and occupation of Belgium. During the First World War,( 1914-1918 ). All commercial firearms production, was terminated. Don't know if this affected the post war production of Damascus barrels?
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    XeBeastXeBeast Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you for all the assistance.
    I have to get some of the braising removed so I can see the punch underneath.
    I am taking to a master gunsmith tomorrow, to see what he says about the shotgun.
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    fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,893 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clean it up and hang it up.
    Not one to restore and use.
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    XeBeastXeBeast Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Update:

    I filed off enough of the braising to see the crown above the ELG
    Now here is the confusing part.

    ELG* with crown 1893 - 1968

    12 C in a diamond 1898 - 1924

    H* inspectors punch 1938 - 1968
    Woit Christophe

    Question is the inspectors punch added when it is inspected for import or after it was made?
    Is it normal for the inspectors punch to be after the date range of the inspectors punch?


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    rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by XeBeast
    Update:

    I filed off enough of the braising to see the crown above the ELG
    Now here is the confusing part.

    ELG* with crown 1893 - 1968

    12 C in a diamond 1898 - 1924

    H* inspectors punch 1938 - 1968
    Woit Christophe

    Question is the inspectors punch added when it is inspected for import or after it was made?
    Is it normal for the inspectors punch to be after the date range of the inspectors punch?


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    There was more than 1 inspector, that used "*H" as a marking. Your was marked by a earlier 19th/20th Century inspector. From the external hammers. "FAL" marking, and being sold by Decatur Bull & Co. Of Montreal. To my way of thinking. There's 99.9% probability, that your shotgun was imported and sold prior to the German invasion in 1914.
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