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Loose Ammo

jamos1jamos1 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
edited June 2015 in Ask the Experts
Hello,
I hope someone can give me some insight on a concern of mine. I just purchased a Bond Arms Snake Slayer IV. I like the gun and it's fun to shoot however, I recently noticed that when I put ammo into the chamber and close up the gun, you can hear the ammo rattle in there if you shake the gun slightly. Also, my brass comes out blackened all the way down to the rim after firing.

It's designed to shoot both 45 Colt and 410 shells but they both rattle in there. I took a measurement of the ID of the chamber with my digital calipers and it reads .4800. Any idea it that's a normal reading for a chamber on a 45 caliber gun?

I've written Bond through their tech assistance email system twice, but still no response...not even acknowledging they received my question. I've decided to not shoot it until I can get some sort of response so I thought I'd throw it out here in the meantime. Thanks!!

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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,390
    edited November -1
    Normally a blacken case is a sign of low pressure with a slow burning powder or low velocity target loads but can also because a large chamber /bore Guns that can shoot different Cartridges are prown to hve over size Chambers /bore so the largest one will chamber and being over sized for the smaller of the two. BOND ARMS
    are not target grade match guns I would not worryabout the loose fit or smoked cases.
  • babunbabun Member Posts: 11,497
    edited November -1
    IIRC, the smallest part of a real {not a .45colt pistol] .410 shotgun chamber is about .463".
    The .45 colt chamber should be about .480".

    The shotgun shell is more forgiving about chamber size. The .45colt shouldn't be loose in the gun. Specs here...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt
    Are you using NEW ammo or reloads???
  • jamos1jamos1 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the responses! It appears the bore is good according to the info on the link and the ammo is reload. I'll pick up a box of factory stuff and see what happens.

    Yes, it's definitely not a match gun although it's stout and fun to shoot. I plan to get a set of 22LR barrels for it too, it'll make a nice garden gun with .22 shotshells for ammo. quote:Originally posted by babun
    IIRC, the smallest part of a real {not a .45colt pistol] .410 shotgun chamber is about .463".
    The .45 colt chamber should be about .480".

    The shotgun shell is more forgiving about chamber size. The .45colt shouldn't be loose in the gun. Specs here...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt
    Are you using NEW ammo or reloads???
  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/snake-slayer-iv/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt

    +1 perryshooter

    added 22 birdshot isn't all that effective, 38 Special or the 45 Colt loaded with shot would be my choice if you didn't want 410 noise and power.
  • jamos1jamos1 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I did give that a lot of thought, especially since I already have a rifle in the .38/.357 caliber and would not need to add yet another caliber to have to keep on the shelf. However, I'm looking for something to plink away the over abundance of sparrows and ground squirrels at close range so the 22 seems to fit the bill. Hmmmm, gonna have to give this more thought.quote:Originally posted by charliemeyer007
    http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/snake-slayer-iv/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt

    +1 perryshooter

    added 22 birdshot isn't all that effective, 38 Special or the 45 Colt loaded with shot would be my choice if you didn't want 410 noise and power.
  • jim_lemayjim_lemay Member Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Consider a cat for bird/rodent control. Just a thought!
  • jamos1jamos1 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well Jim, the sparrows drive out all the native songbirds so controlling them is key to keeping bluebirds, swallows & wrens around. Cats do not much care which style of bird they turn into a meal nor could I convince a cat to just stick to the ground squirrels. [:)]quote:Originally posted by jim_lemay
    Consider a cat for bird/rodent control. Just a thought!
  • Missouri Mule K30Missouri Mule K30 Member Posts: 2,084 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also have one in 45, 410, I do not have that problem at all. The gun is definitely a handful, but at the 7 yard gong hits almost every time.
    I have 2 other barrels for it, .22, 9mm that make it more user friendly, for the wife and her friends have now have an affection to fire it.
    The wife wants to get all the different barrels for it.[:D] What is good for her is good for me.[;)]
  • v35v35 Member Posts: 13,200
    edited November -1
    The 357 SIG might give you the most energy out of that short barrel.
  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Are the cases bulged at all after extraction?

    It could be a few things that you're hearing.

    1. Chambers are oversized and you are in fact hearing them rattle side to side.
    2. Handloaded ammo is sized down too far, perhaps using 45 acp dies.
    3. As the 45 colt headspaces on the rim, you could have an excessive headspace issue and they are rattling back and forth.

    If you don't see a bulge it's probably number 3. If you do it's 1 or 2.
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