Winchester eastern carbine???

toad67

This fella is describing his rifle as an eastern carbine. Never heard of that term. Could someone clue me in?? Thanks.

http://www.GunBroker.com/item/610316753

Spider7115

That isn't an Eastern carbine. They don't have saddle rings, just a screw. This one is just missing the ring itself but it's a saddle ring carbine. Also, it has a carbine buttplate, not a crescent. I may be wrong but it looks like that barrel has been cut.

This is an Eastern carbine. Notice the frame where a saddle ring stud would go on a Western carbine:

http://www.GunBroker.com/item/610600612

toad67

Is the term an actual model, or is it just slang?

Spider7115

quote:Originally posted by toad67
Is the term an actual model, or is it just slang?

I think it's just a descriptive term but Bert would know if it was an official term.

Aztngundoc22

OK :

Spider nailed it !!!!

I worked for 'winchester' in the early 80's as a "gunnery tech." .....

Thanks !!!

toad67

quote:Originally posted by Aztngundoc22
OK :

Spider nailed it !!!!

I worked for 'winchester' in the early 80's as a "gunnery tech." .....

Thanks !!!


Were you a worls class "gunnery tech".......[;)]

Bert H.

OK, first let me clear up a few misconceptions;

1. The Model 94 in question is not an "eastern" carbine. As Spider pointed out, it is a standard SRC that somebody took the ring off of the stud. Eastern carbines were manufactured without the stud.

2. The Model 94 in the auction that Spider pointed to is also not an "eastern" carbine. It is more accurately referred to as a "transitional" carbine.

The following is a brief history on the "Eastern" Carbines.

Winchester introduced the Model 1894 in October of 1894. The first guns that were manufactured, were all Sporting Rifles (26-inch octagon or round barrels). Shortly after production began, the Saddle Ring Carbine (SRC) was introduced (serial number 46). The SRC featured a 20-inch round (only) barrel, and a saddle ring attached to the left rear side of the receiver frame.

Saddle rings were standard equipment on all Carbines manufactured from November 1894 through March of 1932, though on special order, the ring could be omitted (for an extra $.50 charge). In April of 1932, Winchester decided to omit the saddle ring as a standard item, but it could be installed as a special order item (again at an extra price charge) through August of 1942.

Prior to the decision to omit the saddle ring as a standard item, Winchester began (in 1926) manufacturing batches of Carbines without a saddle ring installed (at no extra charge). Those guns intentionally made without the saddle ring were intended for sale in the eastern part of the country, hence the term "Eastern" Carbine. Winchester never referred to them that way. The name "Eastern" was coined by the collecting community. The Carbines intended for western shipment still had saddle rings on them. By the year 1929, approximately 50% of the Carbine production consisted of "Eastern" Carbines. The period of time of 1926 - 1932 was a transitional period that resulted in the phasing out of the traditional saddle ring.
Eastern Carbines are not rare or uncommon. Some collectors and dealers believe they are worth more $$$, but I disagree. What is worth a premium, is a pre-1920 Carbine with no saddle ring, especially those made in the real early years that can be lettered.

Bert H.

Aztngundoc22

Toad :

WHAT ???

Thanks !!!

toad67

quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
OK, first let me clear up a few misconceptions;

1. The Model 94 in question is not an "eastern" carbine. As Spider pointed out, it is a standard SRC that somebody took the ring off of the stud. Eastern carbines were manufactured without the stud.

2. The Model 94 in the auction that Spider pointed to is also not an "eastern" carbine. It is more accurately referred to as a "transitional" carbine.

The following is a brief history on the "Eastern" Carbines.

Winchester introduced the Model 1894 in October of 1894. The first guns that were manufactured, were all Sporting Rifles (26-inch octagon or round barrels). Shortly after production began, the Saddle Ring Carbine (SRC) was introduced (serial number 46). The SRC featured a 20-inch round (only) barrel, and a saddle ring attached to the left rear side of the receiver frame.

Saddle rings were standard equipment on all Carbines manufactured from November 1894 through March of 1932, though on special order, the ring could be omitted (for an extra $.50 charge). In April of 1932, Winchester decided to omit the saddle ring as a standard item, but it could be installed as a special order item (again at an extra price charge) through August of 1942.

Prior to the decision to omit the saddle ring as a standard item, Winchester began (in 1926) manufacturing batches of Carbines without a saddle ring installed (at no extra charge). Those guns intentionally made without the saddle ring were intended for sale in the eastern part of the country, hence the term "Eastern" Carbine. Winchester never referred to them that way. The name "Eastern" was coined by the collecting community. The Carbines intended for western shipment still had saddle rings on them. By the year 1929, approximately 50% of the Carbine production consisted of "Eastern" Carbines. The period of time of 1926 - 1932 was a transitional period that resulted in the phasing out of the traditional saddle ring.
Eastern Carbines are not rare or uncommon. Some collectors and dealers believe they are worth more $$$, but I disagree. What is worth a premium, is a pre-1920 Carbine with no saddle ring, especially those made in the real early years that can be lettered.

Bert H.





Kinda like the flat band models then...Thanks Bert!