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US Military M-1922?
MIKE WISKEY
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just pick this up, yes its been 'messed' with but what can you tell me about it?, brand of scope base?...ser. # 909
"I wonder if this isn't an example of the 7/8" side mount?"...........possible, all steel, no name. maybe I can alter a weaver side mt. to fit. $375 is almost what I paid for the rifle [:0]
"I wonder if this isn't an example of the 7/8" side mount?"...........possible, all steel, no name. maybe I can alter a weaver side mt. to fit. $375 is almost what I paid for the rifle [:0]
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Still available, a top half with bracket, levers, and rings is $375.
http://secure.griffinhowe.com/mountsandpads.cfm
I noticed the lack of pins, rufe.
I suggest the gunsmith did not consider them necessary on a .22 LR.
But what do you and Mr Strobel think it is?
The only other mount I know in the same category is the Jaeger, but I think he only made a single lever mount and he tended to put his name on the base.
Griffin & Howe Double Lever Side Mount.
Still available, a top half with bracket, levers, and rings is $375.
http://secure.griffinhowe.com/mountsandpads.cfm
Don't believe this is correct. I checked Stroebel's book. When MW posted his photos. Besides the 3 screws. That attaches the G & H mount to the receiver, there are 2 locating pins. No locating pins in MW's photos.
Griffin & Howe Double Lever Side Mount.
Still available, a top half with bracket, levers, and rings is $375.
http://secure.griffinhowe.com/mountsandpads.cfm
I noticed the lack of pins, rufe.
I suggest the gunsmith did not consider them necessary on a .22 LR.
But what do you and Mr Strobel think it is?
No idea unfortunately? Went through Stroebel's book. The mount that appeared most similar, (with 3 screws). Was by Williams in MI. But their mount is shaped differently. Doesn't appear to be the same.
From it's plain angular look. I wouldn't be surprised. If it wasn't made, in a local machine shop. By a skilled machinist/gunsmith.
I wonder if this isn't an example of the 7/8" side mount?
https://tinyurl.com/gmmvsez
Williams made a knock-off but it wasn't nearly as good, it was just available after G&H closed.
I made several dozen 1" versions of the G&H for a few years after our supply of parts from G&H ran out. We had plenty of the levers but the mating parts ran out. So I did the drawings from the parts and milled them out by hand at first until I got access to a CNC mill. Then we switched in doing them integral with the receivers we made...
Best.
There seems to be no standard spacing of the holes in the G & H bases I have observed.
I thought G & H was still in business.
Ring assemblies come up for sale often on the big internet auction. They come with various size rings, 22mm, 7/8" and 1" to name a few. It seems to me that it would be a shame to modify what is already a premium quality scope mount base.
The base is properly mounted forward so that the long eye relief scopes (Lyman Alaskan, Noske, etc.) could be mounted far enough forward so that the bolt handle would rise behind the ocular end of the scope. This eliminated the necessity for grinding away part of the bolt handle, or to bend it down as they did in later years so it would clear the scope bell when operating the bolt.
I would love to see more photos of the rifle. The original bolt would have a double striker firing pin.
Collector value is somewhat diminished by the refinish of the metal and holes in the receiver but you still got a bargain if you bought it in the $400.00 range.
quote:I thought G & H was still in business.
I hope that I didn't mislead you into thinking that G&H had gone out of business. They merely 'transitioned' into a different form from the original company. Here is the brief history from the current website:
HISTORY
In 1910, after returning from safari in Africa, President Theodore Roosevelt wrote his classic book African Game Trials. Roosevelt praised the versatility of the American Springfield rifle for shooting African game, but he also criticized it for its lack of a proper sporting stock.
Incited by Mr. Roosevelt's book, New York cabinet maker Seymour Griffin decided to dismantle his own Springfield rifle to craft a replacement stock of venerable French walnut.
The Beginning
Over the next 13 years, Mr. Griffin's business shifted from cabinet making to re-stocking as many rifles as he could for eager sportsmen. African Game Trials had spurred America's imagination and gunsmiths could not keep up with the demand for sporting rifles. The foremost authority on rifles at the time, and the writer of many articles on the subject, was Col. Townsend Whelen. In April of 1923 Col. Whelen suggested to Mr. Griffin that his business would be improved by the addition of an accomplished metal worker, specifically James V. Howe. Mr. Howe was the foreman of the machine shop at the Frankford Arsenal in Philadelphia. A year earlier he had designed a modified 30-06 necked up to accept a .35 caliber bullet naming it the .35 Whelen. In May, the three men, along with James M. Holsworth and James L. Gerry, formed Griffin & Howe, (G&H).
By 1925 the company operated out of a New York loft and was offering custom rifles with both standard and magnum actions. That same year it introduced its .35 G&H caliber, based on the legendary .375 Holland & Holland.
The G&H Side Mount
In 1927 the famous G&H side mount was introduced, this renowned feature still found on the company's rifles today. The G&H side mount was the first of its kind and paved the way for the scope mounts and rings of today. This mount made it possible to remove your scope for travel and replace is without losing zero.
In 1930 the company was purchased by Abercrombie & Fitch. Two years later it moved its headquarters to 202 E 44th Street in New York City.
During WWII, G&H was forced to discontinue its rifle business and turned to making the triggers for US anti-aircraft guns, along with over 50 different parts for the American aircraft industry. In addition to this, the G&H side mount became the standard rifle mount for the M1 Garand rifle, and by the end of the war, 23,000 had been delivered to the Springfield Armory.
Noteworthy Clientele
From the 1930's to the 1960's, G&H became the gold standard of American custom rifle making and gunsmithing, supplying sporting rifles to the likes of Ernest Hemmingway, Clark Gable, Bing Crosby, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Robert C. Ruark, to name but a few.
In 1976, G&H was sold by Abercrombie & Fitch to longtime employee, Bill Ward. The company moved its headquarters to Bernardsville, NJ in 1987. Present management took over in 1989. In 1999, the company opened a location in Greenwich, CT and in 2003, a new Showroom and outfitting location in Andover, NJ alongside its Shooting School.
Today
G&H still builds a limited number of America's finest custom rifles the way we have for the past century. We incorporate the classic shape and proportion of the European walnut stock with a cheek piece and a hand rubbed oil finish, the G&H quarter rib with standing bar and folding leaves, the Lyman 48 sight and all other G&H features that have been the hallmark of the company from the very beginning. We also offer an extensive line of sporting shotguns, rifles and double rifles, built to our specifications by fine European makers, as well as being the official agents and US representatives for James Purdey & Sons, Boss & Co, William & Son, Anderson Wheeler, Lebeau Courally, David McKay Brown, Verney Carron, Fabbri, Blaser, Krieghoff, B. Rizzini, Beretta, Zoli, Perazzi, to name a few of many others.
We continue to expand, creating new products and enhancing our services, to serve our growing customer base. Our G&H Custom Slug rifle, G&H Custom Long Range Precision Rifle, and long range Marksmanship Rifle School with dedicated instructors are testament to G&H's commitment to providing our clients that which we know will be their future requirements in the 21st century. We look forward to serving you and future generations!
Best.
G & H obliterated the screw heads and pins, blued the base when doing their own mounting. I have an NRA Springfield Sporter bought by my grandfather in October 1928 and it carries the G & H mount but they didn't do the work - pins & screws still visible.
NECG still sells the Jaeger sidemount:
https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/item_info.asp?Brand_id=5844&ST=Jaeger Side Mount
They did some work for me a few years back. Excellent quality and done in a reasonable amount of time. I never hurry dentists or gunsmiths. [;)]