Please help identify this gun

jss1956

I know this is a bad photo but it shows a semi-auto pistol which I cannot identify. It looks much like a Walther PP but apperars much larger. The ejection port is odd as there seems to be another port or recess/indention below and to the left of the main ejection port in the photo. Can anyone identify this pistol?

Thanks

jss1956

Hello all, can someone please help identify the year and possible value of the gun, I have many more pictures upon request, thank you...

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=257518994/PictureID=6904883577/a=160934262_160934262/t_=160934262
http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=257518994/PictureID=6904883578/a=160934262_160934262/t_=160934262
http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=257518994/PictureID=6904883579/a=160934262_160934262/t_=160934262
http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=257518994/PictureID=6904883580/a=160934262_160934262/t_=160934262

jss1956

Here is a picture of my grandfather, his dog and his 1st hunting rifle in about 1901. I've been trying for quite some time to identify the rifle he is holding. Rifle is an octagon barrel single shot. There is some type of stamp on the stock that looks like an animal in a circle.

Does anyone out there have any ideas? Would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks Steve

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/jss1956/Gun ID/IMG_0328.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/jss1956/Gun ID/IMG_0329.jpg

Spider7115

I believe it's a Flobert gallery rifle from the 1890's.

drl50

Interesting picture. Can't help with the gun, but I think the picture above is right. The dog is cool.

rufe-snow

There were a number of different types, of Flobert rifles/pistols and shotguns. Flobert became a generic term, for rimfire firearms in Europe. Was in use to a least the W W II era. Perhaps later? The breech area of the rifle? Appears different than other Floberts, that I'm familiar with?

11b6r

Steve- that is a Pieper/ Bayard. Made for .22 CB caps (smaller than a short) sent you an email with a link to some photos of one that WAS for sale. Figure on the stock is the Bayard logo- a knight on horseback in a circle. Made from about 1895-1905 in Belgium. They weighed a hefty 3.5 lbs.

cbyerly

Good ID. I have one like the one pictured. As I remember, it will fire any 22 shell. I call it a garden varmint gun.

Hawk Carse

The Peiper is a stouter gun than the true Floberts and cost a whopping $2.55 in the 1901 Sears catalog. The "rolling block" Flobert was $2.25 and the plain Flobert $1.60. Even Sears said "We do not recommend or guarantee Flobert rifles. Buy a good rifle, it will pay in the end. We recommend (Peiper and Stevens stock numbers.)"

jss1956

Thanks to all for the info. Grandpa died in 1978 at 84. Was always a Winchester guy and went deer hunting in northern Wisconsin the year before he passed. I was a junior in high school then. Today, I have his 2 lever guns in my safe. I will show this to my dad who is 88 and still shoots his Lama 9MM and an old Smith once or twice per month. I always wondered what kind of gun this was will now look for a nice example. I really appreciate the help on the ID. Thanks again!

gearheaddad

I love that picture!
There is something special about a well dressed young child with a gun in a photo!
What kind of lever guns did your Grandpa hunt with?

rufe-snow

quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
It could have belonged to the studio.



Got me thinking not only about Grandad's rifle. But the dog. Those old photography studios. Had to use old type very slow film, that required a long exposure. If they weren't using flash powder. Seems to me, the only way they could keep a dog still for a shot like that. Is if it, was stuffed.