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steve5x5
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Have a German Luger with the DWM on the toggel. The S/N is 77xx and the only stamps on are "Made in Germany" and the proof mark. I need more information on the gun please. Blue book lists it as being made in 1900. The cal. is .30. On the front of sight is a "D". There is a loop mark below the S/N on the front of the fram. The number 14 is on the rear of the gun just below the rear sight. This is all that I can find on the gun. Should I be looking for more marks and is there a sight some place for just Lugers?
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I have a chance to get a luger that I'm told was made 1944 by some Italian mfg I have not seen it yet and was locking for info before wasting time.
Thanks for any help. ~ Gary
Jim
I run with scissors.
Thank you
Andrey
I now have another question that I hope will be acceptable to those in this group. I'm seeking information and guidance as to value of this piece:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/steve5x5/luger.JPG
Thanks again,
steve5x5
Of course I'm out of my mind. It's dark and scary in there.
Just some friendly advise from someone that learned the hard way.
The breech block has the following:
S/42
The s/no.s of the piece differ, which leads me to believe that Mauser Works reconditioned this piece in 1938. Also not in my initial post was the fact that my father-in-law returned from Europe in 1946 with this piece, along with a 1937 R&K Voegel military issue holster:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/steve5x5/voegel.JPG
Also not in my initial post is a bore conversion to 5.29 MM, which I think might be pristine in condition, but not sure if pre-war, or post war:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/steve5x5/5.29Luger.JPG
Also not in my initial post are (5) 9 MM rounds found in the the extra clip in the holster that I beleive may be original German WWII Military Issue, along with a full box of 9 MM Remington rounds that I am guessing date back to the late 40.s., perhaps purchased here in the States, by my FIL.
I'm guessing this as I (have),in my possession, a Winchester Model 1873 rifle that my Dad gave me that also came with (same Remington box description), (Green & Red), (same in general colors and design of the box) which contains (41) 32-20 rounds for the Winchester.
As a new member, I'd like to thank "the regulars" that help ignorant persons, such as myself, "get by" in this forum.
The second amendment to the Constitution of the United States:
guarantees that no "one" can fool around with the other twenty-six.
I've taken some liberties here with the quote of one other member in particular.
steve5x5,
Thanking all those that kindly reply in advance.
It looks like an Erma unit.Is it complete and do you have a .22LR magazine for it?
I would estimate total worth of everything at $700-900
Welcome to the forum!!!!!!
"It was like that when I got here".
Edited by - 4wheeler on 09/02/2002 21:57:27
That same kind of ammo was known for removing the rear sights from P-38's (and in one case I know of the entire slide) so it was some hot stuff. As far as the strength of the Luger, ammo that hot only left minor cracks as far as safety goes (and some additional wear on the toggle hinge pins), but major dammage as far as collectability (and value) goes.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
On the way out(up)the extractor strikes a keeper ledge on each side and may crack or break them off.
Another weak spot of the Luger in handling hot loads is that the striker is light weight, making blown primers easy. When primers are blown,the firing pin is driven back by gas acting against the large diameter striker body which, acting as a piston strikes the firing pin retainer that is keyed into the breechblock rear with a 1/4 turn arrangement. Either or both the tiny key on the retainer or keyway on the bolt can broken off. Spring retainer guides on postwar Lugers, being investment castings, also break up when struck by the rebounding striker. The later investment cast firing pin tips also break off. Inspection of Lugers should include these areas.
Lugermakers addressed the problem by cutting several gas bypass grooves in the firing pins. This helps some but didn't cure the problem.
Because of these weaknesses in the basic pistol, I would be reluctant
to experiment with barrels longer than standard issue and certainly not the Luger carbine.
John Browning designed the 1911 and the P35 with small diameter firing pin bodies which are also light but cannot do damage to the pistol as happens in the Luger.
Early in the century when the US Army did acceptance testing on the Luger, they purposely thinned out primers. Surprisingly, the problem didn't come out. The pistol was rejected on other grounds.
It's my unconfirmed belief that Berdan primers better resist
blowout than Boxer primers of the same thickness.