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Shoulder Stocks
victorj19
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Have started seeing shoulder stocks for Glocks for sale. Is it legal to use them? Or, does it turn a pistol into a SBR?
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Having said that, folks who don't have arms that are longer than average probably would be able to use the "brace" like a shoulder stock. The fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits have ruled that this item is a brace, unless you use it as a shoulder stock, in which case it would be considered to be an illegal shoulder stock.
Theoretically, if your buddy took a photo of you using a brace as a shoulder stock while shooting at the range, & he posted it on Facebook, special agents could break your door down & arrest you.
I wouldn't have one, because I hate prison food.
Neal
EDIT: OK, I thought that this was what the OP was referring to:
But, maybe Competentone is right. I think the OP needs to give us more details on what he saw.
There are several sellers on eBay peddling them and don't mention that the owner could be in trouble if they are actually attached to a Glock.
But then there are people who don't care or think about such things.
Thanks
Jim
But a stock on anything under 16" is definitely a bad move, unless you have gone thru the paperwork with the BATFE, and it is approved, and you have the Tax Stamp for which to do so.
Best
If I am not mistaken, you cannot even put a 16"+ barrel on a pistol, and add a stock. Once it is registered as a pistol, it is considered always a pistol. There are some special exceptions, when it comes to some certain Thompson Center Contender Carbine KITS.
But a stock on anything under 16" is definitely a bad move, unless you have gone thru the paperwork with the BATFE, and it is approved, and you have the Tax Stamp for which to do so.
The ATF clarified this in their 2011 ruling on it. You can convert a pistol to a rifle, and back again to a pistol, but must always install the 16+ inch long barrel before attaching any stock. And when taking it down, remove the stock before removing the barrel.
https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2011/08/atf-rulingrifles-configured-fr.html
These have been made off and on for some time and the BATF has not yet redefined them as equal to a real detachable buttstock.
Neal, as always I am stunned by your years of experience.[:D]
Is the OP asking about the Glock carbine kits? The one where you place the FRAME of the pistol into a carbine-esque stock that has a "16+ barrel on it? I'm not clear as to if we are talking apples and oranges here cause I believe THOSE to be legal?
I would interpret his question as one about just the shoulder stock -- like these: https://www.google.com/search?q=glock+18+stock&lr=&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB8QsARqFQoTCOG6uvbw58cCFQuNDQodhX0FMA&biw=1366&bih=580
They've been around for a long time and are perfectly legal in other countries -- perfectly legal to own in the U.S. too, one just cannot install it onto a Glock one owns without having first registered that Glock as a SBR and paid the $200 tax.
The Glock "carbine kits" are perfectly legal to use. See my link in my post above.
Have started seeing shoulder stocks for Glocks for sale. Is it legal to use them? Or, does it turn a pistol into a SBR?
The second thing. Unless you go through the Federal SBR licensing requirements first, if you put this on a normal Glock pistol you've just broken Federal (and probably State) law.
You can use these legally on Airsoft, or similar non-firearm guns. You can use them legally on pistols in certain places outside the USA.
While this used to NOT be true as recently as a few years ago, per recent BATFE policy, you can now legally put a shoulder stock on a pistol if you ALSO put on a 16" (or longer) barrel, turning the whole thing into a carbine.
If you want to do this, you're supposed to put the long barrel on first, and take it off last, that way the gun is never in an illegal configuration.