Battle rifle collection/what guns?

byron2112

That AK thread got me thinking of something I've tossed around for awhile.Building a collection of all the significant battle rifles.I'm talking about ones that played a BIG part in conflicts that signifcantly affected history.I've got a couple of problems/questions.the US has so many good rifles maybe it should be its own sub catagory.What I mean is,do you include the M1 carbine?(good gun but not a main battle rifle).What about the M14/M1A?(perhaps the pinacle of big bore battle rifle tech,a fine rifle,but not much battlefeild history).Are rifles like the Ariska and Moisin Nagant included because they were the mainstay of major players in WW2?I guess you could go many ways with this;sub catagoies for most all US main battle rifles,another for all major combatants of WW1 and WW2.Anyhow,I'd like to know what the experts around here would include.I'll go with the significant rifle idea.Brown BessTrapdoor SpringfeildHenry rifleMauser 98Lee Enfeild Springfeild M1FAL(I've read these were the most prolific magazine fed Large caliber rifle in use with many armies around the world)AK47AR15This is a very difficult list as I love the strange features of the Krag,but it didn't do much.The Hk91 is the main battle rifle for many many armys.The M14....see above.I look forwrd to your selections,Byron

gruntled

I'd drop the Henry & include some type of caplock rifle from the War for Southern Independence. You cannot exclude the Krag.A Hall breachloader would also be a nice item to have. You could substitute a Charleville musket for the Brown Bess.

byron2112

You know I thought about the civil war ,but have no idea what type they were using or if anything could be called standard.I realize that the Henry was little used,but it was innovative and like I stated above,I could not come up with anyhting else from the era.

duckhunter

ALL COLECTIONS OF THIS KIND MUST HAVE A SKS. MORE MADE THANK ANY OTHER GUN.

jonk

This topic should probably be in the general discussion forum, but here are my entrants for the really historically important guns. Brown BessPA/KY longrifle1861/3 SpringfieldTrapdoor SpringfieldMauser 71- 1st successful bolt-action to be adopted in any number.Lebel 1886- Intro'd smokeless powder en masse.Mauser 98 and derivatives (Arisaka, O3 Springfield, etc.)Lee-EnfieldM-1 GarandMosin-NagantAK-47German Assault rifles- esp. Stgew./MP44, father of all modern assault riflesFALM16That;s about all. I hate to include M-16, but it has done some useful service.

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Wenn alles richtig ist, dann stimmt 'was nicht. -Nena (When everything is going right, something is bound to be wrong.)

royc38

You should include the M1 Carbine and M1a m14. The carbine can be argued as the first assault rifle. I know the Mp44 guys will disagree but there is some gray area there. The carbine is considered a pistol round whereas the Mp44 is a rifle round. The carbine served in WW2, Korea and Viet Nam. And the M1A / M14 is still the perferred weapon of the Seals and you saw them used in Desert Storm.

v35

The Russian/Chinese/North Korean manufactured PPSH41 was significant in WW2 and Korea and the British 577/450 Martini Enfield was significant in British history.

HK Cool

I agree you should include the M1 Carbine and M-14--but what about the "Grease Gun"?I know the "Carbine" guys like to think of it as the first assault rifle--but its laughable to actually believe it, its a Battle Rifle! It was Hitler who coined the phrase "Assault Rifle" and he did so when describing the MP44. Just because some Carbines were made for paratroopers with a folding stock doesn't make it an Assault Rifle! Those of you that think that way about a Carbine probably think the mini-14 is an assault rifle too--NOT!The 30 Carbine is NOT a pistol round--that's why they call it CARBINE! True, there has been pistols designed around it--but heck, you can shoot the .223, .22-250, and hundreds of other rifle rounds in a Contender Pistol--that doesn't make them pistol rounds![This message has been edited by HK Cool (edited 09-29-2001).]

modoc

Why chase your tail?? Buy what you personally like and don't put so much pressure on your self.I have;1837 Harper Ferry,1863 Spring.,1873 Trapdoor,1896 Krag,1903 Spring.,1891 Arg.,1909 Arg,1896 Swede,1937 dated 1898 Mauser,and 1950 Morrocian by F.N..I love them one and all.Any one would be ready to go back into battle on short notice.Not the fast fireing battle of the present mind set,but in a reasonable way that requires a marksman rather than a trigger jerker that the military has made out of too many.I notice that when you are expected to carefully hit what you shoot at they give you a bolt action rifle.Ever wonder why ??All of the above arms,except the first two,would qualify in the role of the sniper as presently defined.You gotta love it.[This message has been edited by modoc (edited 09-29-2001).]

loan shark

1851 Colt navy, 1860 Colt Army, any Springfield musket of the Civil War era, Krag rifle, .03 Springfield, M1-Garand, M1-Carbine, AR-15(since you can't have a M-16). When possible get one that is military inspected. Those are the ones that will appreciate the most as time goes on. These are the guns I like to collect. Kind of neat holding a piece of military history.

Xracer

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the M1917 (U.S.) Enfield. During WWI, it was made, and issued, in larger numbers than the '03 Springfield.

metz

Thomson, ma deuce, mg34+42, sten, bren, 1919,BAR, How much money you got??Andy