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Suprise Full Auto?

CabanakingCabanaking Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
edited September 2001 in Ask the Experts
I've heard that a few (maybe many?) SKS owners have had incidents of their rifles go full auto without doing anything to them. Is this true or just myth? Chinese or Russian, or both?What would cause something like this to happen?Forgive me if this has been covered... I'm kinda new around here.
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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    I've heard of it. It is possible with virtually any semi-auto. I had a sear in a Colt 1911 break. I emptied 7 rounds with one squeeze. What an experience!
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  • nmyers@home.comnmyers@home.com Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The SKS trigger group is relatively complex; the slightest variance could have unwanted consequences. I've seen full auto happen with the Chinese, and heard of other occurrences. I have never heard of it happening with the Russian. All Chinese SKS's in this country were made specifically for export to us, while the Russian ones were made for use by the Russian army. Which would you expect to have better quality control?Neal
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  • CabanakingCabanaking Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well...I'd rather not empty a clip on a .45 like that, but I bet it was an experience!I'm just asking about the SKS as whenever I mention that I have one to someone...they usually say something bad about it. "cheap POS guns" "unsafe" "inaccurate" blah blah blah. Sure, it may be true with some, but I've had real good luck with mine. Chinese even. Its dropped a few deer even...one shot, open sights. Good thing too because it jammed on me once after one of those times...heh Thats the only time I've had it jam though.But as per my original post... I'm not keen on the idea of a suprise empty of the clip as sometimes I have 75 rounds ready to roll, and I've never fired a full auto before.
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  • shaneshane Member Posts: 882 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've had an SKS for a long time and never had any trouble out of it. I think that most people who do have problems are the ones who have tinkered with there guns with out knowing what they were doing. I'm not saying that applys to all cases just alot of them where the SKS is involved.
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  • lrarmsxlrarmsx Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most cases of SKS's going full auto had nothing to do with tampering and absolutely nothing to do with their country of origin. SKS's and AK's do not use a spring loaded firing pin (except Polytech AK's). When using military type harder primers, thats not a problem. When using Remington UMC, Winchester USA, Federal American Eagle, etc. you are dealing with standard commercial softer, more sensitive primers. When the bolt slams forward there is enough momentum for the firing pin to set off the primer without your finger on the trigger. The gun will then eject the spent shell only to repeat the same action over again, and so on, until the magazine is empty. It has nothing to do with the gun or where it was made, it has to do with using the wrong ammo in the gun. Use Russian, Chinese, Czech, etc with the correct harder primers and you'll probably have the problem disappear. As for the Chinese guns being exclusively made for the US market... Some of the last of the guns that came in were made for the US, but the vast majority of them were sitting in their arsenals for a decade or two before they were sent over here. They were standard military production. The earlier Chinese guns used screwed in barrels and milled trigger guards just like the Russian and Romanian guns from the 1950's and 1960's. The later guns had stamped trigger guards and later yet had the pinned in barrels. As for milled receivers, all SKS's have milled receivers. They were never made any other way no matter what country they came from.
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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    As with any gun, they can break and sometimes you just get a poor quality gun. I think most of the SKS's are pretty good guns. If it ever does go full auto on you, just try to remember to get the barrel down to the ground and hold on until the ride is over. You'll never forget it!
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  • just-shootjust-shoot Member Posts: 233 ✭
    edited November -1
    I believe there were 4 different style firing pins used, two of wich were chinese. One of the two could very easly be replaced upside down which would cause a rapid fire. This is someting I read some time ago. I don't have first hand experiance as I never tore my bolt apart. Since there is no spring and if the bolt is dirty enough, I imagine the firing pin could get stuck. Any how, thats about all I know on the subject.
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  • TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My SKS experience has been very positive. Mine is a Chinese (Norinco) that I bought in 1991 that has all matching numbers. It is a very accurate (open sights) and reliable rifle. I have taken three whitetails, a coyote, and a few wild cats (saving the quail!) with it. I love to shoot it as the ammo is cheap and had it at the range this morning. The only modification I have made is to put one of the extended rubber buttpads on it. This is a very beneficial addition in my opinion. It has never gone "full auto" on me and I hope that it never does. I doubt it will.
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  • woodsmith42woodsmith42 Member Posts: 63 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just-shoot is right on the money; the flat type Chnese firing pin (a stamping really) can be put in upside down. The pin will jam on the first shot so when the bolt closes on round #2 you get a "slam fire". This isn't true full auto; the rifle will cycle until out of ammo, not till you let go the trigger.It is discocerting, possibly dangerous and definitely scary as hell. The lawyers who were putting together a class action lawsuit basically gave up when the actual circumstances became known.
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  • Richie RichRichie Rich Member Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    well I can chalk one up for the ruski'sit has happen to my russian twice on ocasion.All I can atribute it to is alot of rounds and not geeting cleaned.It would almost always do atleast a 3 to 5 round burst,was real cool and I did'nt want to clean it but had to.rich
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