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armalite AR-10

gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 2001 in Ask the Experts
Are these good rifles? OR SHOULD i go with a different .308 any info would be helpfull.How do they shoot? Relibelity?Thanks
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Excellnt guns, but I think for the money a m1a will do anything it can do and be less expensive. I think some Ar-10's were produced in "Sudan" ( I know they were made just don't remember where) many moons ago and would have very nice collectability as they are originals and are few in number. The newer AR-10's are commanding a lot of money, they don't outshoot some less expensive guns and I feel the "cool looking" factor ain't that expensive. Just my .02. If you have a boat load of money and own all the other .308's for sure put one in the collection, until then, there are better tools for the money.Andy
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    metz What others do you sugest.
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  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    M14 Semi Or FAL variant with an Imbel receiver is the way to go.cpermd
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Before you dump all that money into an AR-10, check out how cheaply they are made at: http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/ then you'll probably think again !
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have both the SR25 and AR10A2. The comparison site linked by kimberkid is a good one to compare fit and finish. While it is true the SR25 is better finished, that finish does not affect the reliability of either. In looking at my ArmaLite AR10A2, I believe it is better finished than the one shown in the link. Keep in mind that the SR25 costs more than twice what the AR10 costs. As far as style, I never liked the angular shape of the SR25 upper receiver. I bought an ArmaLite AR10A2 because it was more true to the original AR10. (I have a Sudanese AR10 on a CKA lower receiver I bought in the 1980s when original 1950s AR10s were being sold on newly-manufactured semi-auto lower receivers.) ArmaLite now has a new model AR10B that more closely resembles an original Sudanese AR10.I also have a "Devine" M1A and a Steyr FN-FAL and of the three, I prefer the AR10 for looks and handling ease, but the FN-FAL is very close. A big advantage of the FAL is very inexpensive magazines. If you are buying a FAL, buy a DSA rather than one of the parts guns being offered. The difference in price between the current AR10 and the M1A is not that great.There was a thread recently that discussed these rifles at length. Check that out and let us know what you decide.
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gunrunner, you kind of have all the info here. It's mostly opinion at this level of weapon. I like the m14 style, it fits me. The FAL is probably the best actual design of the three, but NM triggers and the like are a bit expensive and above and beyond your start price. When you go to drop over a grand on a rifle (and you will with these, The DSA FAL, AR-10, or the M1A)you need to put them in your paw and try them. One may feel more comfortable than the other or it just may boil down to looks for you. I suggest finding a representative of each and fire themm and see what it is you like/dislike. The FAL is the easiest to maintain and least expensive to buy stuff for. The M1A's can get you going for 800 and go right on up and 2000, they are easy to find stuff for, but are starting to get pricey. The AR's start about 1000 and move north also and are expensive on everything.Andy
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Keep in mind that Eugene Stoner is the original designer of the AR-10, The SR-25 is HIS improvement of the same weapon! The last I saw the AR-10T was priced about $2000, the Stoner SR-25 about $2700, not quite twice the price ...In my mind, fit & finish are directly related to the craftmanship that went into the weapon ... otherwise I'd be shooting Norinco 1911's instead of Kimbers
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    kimberkid is right on the price difference. Without thinking, I was comparing my ArmaLite AR10A2 to my Knight SR25. The current retail on an AR10(T) is about $2000, while the current AR10A2 retails for about $1400. (I paid about $1000 for my AR10A2 when it came out and about $2000 for my SR25 when it came out.)I disagree that Eugene Stoner designed the SR25 solely to be an improvement on the original AR10. A major design goal of the SR25 was to use as many AR15 parts as possible to keep the tooling costs down. For example, the reason for the stepped bolt in the SR25 is to be able to use AR15 buffer tube and parts, etc.. (Some features, like the funny hammer, were to prevent easy conversion to full-auto using M16 parts.) Still, they are both fine rifles, and yes, fit and finish are worth money and cost money, but fixing the balance is the hard part. I have my AR10A2 in my hand as I write, and it is much better fitted and finished than the one shown on the link. It is very close to the SR25. I wonder how the one in the link got out of ArmaLite? I do not believe it is representative. If money is an object (and it always is), the Eagle AR10 may be worth a look. It is a "no-frills" ArmaLite AR10 that retails for $995.High capacity magazines for a SR25 are scarce and expensive, while the AR10 can use modified M14 magazines. Of course, 20-round FAL magazines are available for $5.Whoever said try them was right on. I have tried them all and in my heart I like the AR10 best, but in my head I know the FAL is best by a small degee, at least for me. Those $5 FAL magazines are hard to beat too!
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JudgeColt is right about the finish on the AR-10 in that link, it is pretty bad! When tha AR-10T came out I bought one (ordered it and didn't see it until I owned it. The finish wasn't as bad as the one in that comparison ... but it wasn't close to the SR-25 either ... I put about 500 rounds through it and I couldn't get it to come close to the performance of the SR ... so I sold it. I was (like most people) hoping to have an equal quality/performaning rifle cheeper then sell the Stoner ... didn't happen so I still have it.As to the Eagle Arms AR-10 I agree it may be worth a look. For a "no-frills" ArmaLite AR-10 that retails for $995 it may be worth the money but I'd want to see it first ... they got me once, shame on them but if they get me again ... shame on me... just remember, you usually get what you pay for
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In my posts, I should have stressed that my preference is based on factors not centered around target grade accuracy. I like service rifles and shoot them only recreationally, not in competitiion. I bought the SR25 only because it was the first "new" AR10 that came on the market. I have heard that the ArmaLite AR10(T) rifles do vary in accuracy much more than Knights. Any ArmaLite that does not group properly should be sent back to ArmaLite. The SR25 target rifles have 5R Remington barrels so they probably have a huge advantage there. If the best accuracy is at the top of your list and worth the extra money, buy the Knight. I believe the Knight target rifles may outshoot the M1A Super Match out of the box, but I have not seen a head-to-head comparison to verify. Any such comparison would apply only to the two rifles tested anyway, so such a test would not settle much. Either will outshoot me by a large margin. Let us know what you select.
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