In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.
Options

Mauser VZ24 scope bases fittament?

Okie743Okie743 Member Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 2016 in Ask the Experts
Anyone know if Mauser 98 large ring scope bases are compatible with a Mauser vz24 or what scope bases are compatible? (cannot seem to locate any scope base listing for a Mauser Z24 made in czechoslovakia)
I have a very nice custom built 243 vz24 and it now has a one piece Redfield base, windage rear (one screw) and dovetail front (two screw) I realize that an additional hole would have to be drilled/tapped for the rear base base and their are lots of room for adding the additional hole and using the existing hole for one. I would prefer the replacement bases be the Leupold type two piece bases, windage adjustable rear base because the existing base holes may not be windage aligned.

I do not know if the existing redfield one piece base has had any custom height or contouring done for proper fit, but I can remove it and check front and rear base mounting height.
I'm trying to use the existing two front redfield base holes and just add one additional hole for the rear base with no contour grinding to match the receiver. I do not mind minor vertical shimming of a base if necessary.

Any ideas appreciated?

Comments

  • Options
    AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A VZ24 will take any scope base that would fit a standard 98.
  • Options
    Okie743Okie743 Member Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
    A VZ24 will take any scope base that would fit a standard 98.


    So the contour on the VZ24 receiver is same as Large ring K98 Mausers?

    Guess I will have to measure the front hole spacing on the existing redfield base to see if a Mauser 98 Leupold one piece front base is the same spacing as the existing holes before I purchase the Leupold bases? Probably have to send email to Midway or Leupold to get the hole spacing and screw size for their Leupold Mauser 98 2 piece bases? Found that front holes are same as Weaver 46 or Weaver 402 hole spacing and the rear receiver tang stripper clip raised metal has been ground off to a round receiver (no stripper clip elevated metal) and the one hole is drilled at very forward position of the tang just behind the stripper clip slot, therefore lots of room to the rear for the second rear base additional hole.
    I'm trying to use the same front holes to mount the front one piece Leupold Mauser base and only drill and tap one addition rear base hole. (Don't want a bunch of unused holes drilled in the receiver like I've seen on some Mausers)Appears after reviewing all the info provided by the experts I can use a Leupold 52370 2 piece base set and then use a offset medium H front ring to re-mount the existing Leupold scope in it's same eye relief position.

    The one existing rear hole for the Redfield one piece base is at the very front metal portion of the receiver stripper clip slot, so lots of room to the rear of receiver for the additional rear base hole. I can see a shim under the rear of the redfield one piece base that appears to be about .010 thick. Appears to me the front of the rear base could hang over the top of the stripper clip slot if needed for mounting the rear base using the existng hole because the bolt would still operate and eject ok? (after looking at a Mauser 98 that still had the raised stripper clip metal I noticed that the original raised metal at the receiver tang stripper clip slot has been removed during custom work on the receiver and blued a very dark deep blue)

    I don't know what you mean by clip seat? (I now see that the clip step has been removed by custom work) The top of this receiver by the rear slot is smooth. The receiver and gun is clean with a real good dark blue finish, nice custom stock, timney trigger, custom no name barrel and shoots 3 shot reload groups into a nickel size group at 100 yards consistently, cold barrel or hot barrel groups and always control feeds the 243 shells real smooth from the long action magazine box and still has the old Mauser style floorplate blued to a dark gloss finish.

    Did not see your Mauser pic when I was typing the above. My stock looks like a clone of that pictured and mine has shadow line cheek piece, no checkering, real nice finish with a Bueller type safety.

    My vz24 looks like it has about 1/2 more metal at the rear of the one piece base for the rear screw as compared to your picture.(because the rear base screw hole is located at the very front of the tang where the stripper clip step would normally be located instead of back somewhat behind where the rear of the step) (about 1/2 inch of metal between the rear of the existing one piece base and the bolt handle as compared to yours and I see a slot you mention back under the rear base overhang)MY stock looks like a clone of your stock color, finish, design, etc)

    Thanks to all for all the good expert info so as to get me on the right track!
  • Options
    asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the "clip seat" has not been removed/ground off make sure you get the correct base set. The front of the rear base is machined to clear the clip seat.

    If that is the base set you need and the correct set cannot be found (not likely), the rear base for the M94/96 Mauser is the same as the M98 rear base.


    The front hole spacing should be the same. My concern would be the location of the rear hole and whether it will match the rear base hole spacing.


    quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
    A VZ24 will take any scope base that would fit a standard 98.


    If the clip seat has been removed bases for the FN commercial Large Ring and Interarms MKX, as well as other commercial large ring Muasers, will fit also.

    You won't have any problem with function using the correct rear base.
    This one was built prior to Leupold offering the set I needed (or at least wasn't aware of them) and I found the M96 base was a match. Leupold now markets bases machined to clear the clip seat on the large ring Mauser.
    005_zpsavhwo9yo.jpg


    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    "the rear base for the M94/96 Mauser is the same as the M98 rear base"........................NOPE, THE 94/96 IS A 'SMALL' RING AND USES A LOWER REAR BASE (Weaver bases #45 & 46 for the m-98, #45 & 55 for the 94/96).
    the VZ 24 is just a 'slightly' shortened m-98 large ring

    While I dislike disagreements Mike, the Leupold M96/M98 rear base is the same in both height and hole spacing checked against another base, hole spacing Is different. It is the front base that is lower excuse me, Taller, for the M96. See my image above. I used the M98 front base and M96 rear because the clip seat wasn't removed.

    "Clip seat" is the hump that the stripper clip seats in for clip loading. From your last posting, I'd say it has been removed?
    Can you post a pic with the one piece base removed?

    That rifle was built on an FN 1930 Greek contract action. The receiver bridge (rear ring) is the same dimensions as that of your VZ24 and will use the same rear base. If your clip seat/slot has been ground off a base set for any LR M98 will fit whether military or commercial.

    Bear in mind: I used a small ring rear base, and at this moment don't recall whether the screw spacing is the same as the large ring spacing. I want to say it is not. IIRC, the spacing for LR is .500" where the SR is .475".

    OK, just took the caliper to the bases of two Mausers.
    The base on above rifle is 1.244 in length.
    The base on my MKX (base for commercial Mauser) is 1.215.

    I was correct. The screw spacing between SR and LR is different.
    You will also notice the rear base sets further forward on the bridge when using the LR base when installed on an Interarms MKX. As you can see that base is not relieved for the clip seat. This would be different on an altered (clip seat removed) military receiver. In that application it would be installed fairly close to the same position as on my '30 Greek FN.
    007_zpslgqldcte.jpg
  • Options
    MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member, Moderator Posts: 9,987 ******
    edited November -1
    "the rear base for the M94/96 Mauser is the same as the M98 rear base"........................NOPE, THE 94/96 IS A 'SMALL' RING AND USES A LOWER REAR BASE (Weaver bases #45 & 46 for the m-98, #45 & 55 for the 94/96).
    the VZ 24 is just a 'slightly' shortened m-98 large ring
  • Options
    AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just to make sure I wasn't dreaming, I got out a couple of my VZ24's (so marked on the left receiver rail) and compared them with a couple of my large ring MOD98's (so marked on the left receiver rail and with WWII German markings) and I have to repeat, "A VZ24 will take any scope base that would fit a standard 98."

    They are the same length; in fact the bolts will interchange.

    MIKE WISKEY: I think you've mixed up the VZ24 with the Yugo. The Yugoslavian 98 Mauser is slightly shorter than the standard 98, about .200".
  • Options
    asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
    Just to make sure I wasn't dreaming, "A VZ24 will take any scope base that would fit a standard 98."


    So long as it isn't a Small ring such as the 1910 Mexican 98 (there are others). The two piece sets will work on the FN 98, VZ24, Yugo M48, so long as it is a Large ring receiver.
  • Options
    sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just gotta pitch in here. The VZ-24 action is a full length Mauser 98 "Large Ring" and will take standard 98 bases, either one piece or two.
    Variations in length are the Yugo M48's which are an intermediate length action and take a different one piece base. They take the same two piece base though.
    Variations on size are the small ring actions, they are the Swede's, some FN's, some German, the Mexican's and Spanish. Most German Small rings are either too collectible or already sporterized.
    All the small rings take small ring fronts and the same rear base. They require their own one piece bases.

    Some days, trying to explain this gets as confusing as trying to understand it.[:0][:D]
  • Options
    Okie743Okie743 Member Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So for the VZ24 (VZ24 stamped on the left receiver bridge) appears I would probably need Leupold dovetail standard base set 52370 (matte) and add one more hole for the rear base? Appears matte finish is only finish offered in the Leupold dovetail set for Mauser 98, no gloss.

    I'll measure the Center to Center spacing on the existing one piece base screws and ask midway or Leupold what the C-C is on the front Leupold 52370 base to see if Leupolds base is a direct fit of the existing front holes before purchasing.

    Does anyone here know the Center to Center spacing in inches of the front and rear screw holes for 2 piece base set for the Mauser 98. for example, Weaver 45 rear, 46 front, or the Leupold 52370 2 piece set? (or have a set laying around they can measure)
  • Options
    AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    c/c spacing, Weaver #46
    .861
    c/c spacing, Waver #45
    .496

    I have a Leupold rear base that is intended to be mounted on a 98 that has NOT had the clip hump ground off: c/c spacing---.322
Sign In or Register to comment.