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Bert H. Seeking opinions on Winchester 1890 Deluxe
Rustyjack
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I'm considering a bid on this second model 1890 deluxe rifle.
http://www.GunBroker.com/item/708711226
The serial number style concerns me...it's not the italicized font I'm used to seeing on the earlier rifles.
Does anyone think this is correct or has it been re-applied/altered?
And why might it have been done?
Any other faults seen?
http://www.GunBroker.com/item/708711226
The serial number style concerns me...it's not the italicized font I'm used to seeing on the earlier rifles.
Does anyone think this is correct or has it been re-applied/altered?
And why might it have been done?
Any other faults seen?
Comments
Shows on the sharp edges - especially on the barrel - and the receiver flats / side plates...
Perhaps overdone - but what the gun looked like before it was attended to I have no idea.
The wood fit to metal is tight and flush - superbly so.
I don't believe it's been sanded or refinished.
Perhaps some stain rubbed over it to even out the tone and bring out the color and shine.
Checkering wear patterns (mint left - softened right - expected honest uneven wear) say to me authentic - original
Maybe a wipe with a super fine Emory cloth before that.
The grip cap is correct but suspect - I opine it's a replacement.
Superb sights - butt plate - muzzle / crown + receiver screw knob
.22 long is not .22 long rifle
You most likely know that and know the difference
Can't see the rifling or bore
Traces of straw finish / case hardening
Nicely found
All IMHO
Mike
As well as several other Winchester experts and aficionados
Edit your post title - put "Bert H." In front of title
He can tell you by looking at a screw or bolt that a gun was made on Tuesday and assembled by Fred...
It's quite amazing
Perry Shooter is being nice - I have some knowledge and used to specialize in inspecting assessing evaluating and describing guns...
I will watch with interest as the true experts weigh in - or comment on my remarks
Mike
I'm considering a bid on this second model 1890 deluxe rifle.
http://www.GunBroker.com/item/708711226
The serial number style concerns me...it's not the italicized font I'm used to seeing on the earlier rifles.
Does anyone think this is correct or has it been re-applied/altered?
And why might it have been done?
Any other faults seen?
The block style font for the serial number is correct for this rifle. Based on the factory records, it was manufactured in October of 1902.
There are a few things that I see that raise concern;
(1) The butt stock has been helped (cleaned up), but it is original to the rifle.
(2) The front and rear sights do not match up with one another, and neither one of them is likely original to that rifle.
(3) The receiver has been cleaned with something abrasive. The wear to the bluing is uneven.
Do you know the reason a different font was used on this rifle?
Were serial numbers applied with a roll marking or hand stamped?
My guess would be the contour of the pistol grip required a hand stamped serial number application with different dies as opposed to rolled on. Would I be correct?
Michael
Model 1892 / 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Thank you Bert.
Do you know the reason a different font was used on this rifle?
Were serial numbers applied with a roll marking or hand stamped?
My guess would be the contour of the pistol grip required a hand stamped serial number application with different dies as opposed to rolled on. Would I be correct?
Serial numbers were machine stamped, not hand stamped. The mechanism for applying the serial number on a curved tang was different than the one used for applying it on the straight tang.
Bert, what do you mean by the front and rear sights not matching up with one another?
The Lyman No. 5B was designed to use with a rear peep sight, and when it was factory installed, it was nearly always accompanied by a Lyman No. 1 or a No. 2 tang sight, and either a blank piece in the rear sight dovetail, or a Lyman No. 6 folding sight. The 22-series Sporting rear sight with the 1C elevator on that rifle was introduced just months before that rifle was manufactured. I sincerely doubt that it was factory installed.