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30 W.C.F.
briguy
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When did Winchester quit making the 30 W.C.F. or when did they quit putting it on the barrels?
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Uh, hold the phone. If I recall correctly, the early .32-20 chambering was also called .30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire). BertH should know more about this than I do.The 32-20 was the 32 W.C.F.; not 30 W.C.F.
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Uh, hold the phone. If I recall correctly, the early .32-20 chambering was also called .30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire). BertH should know more about this than I do.
As correctly stated by Old-Colts, the 32-20 was known as the 32 W.C.F.through WW II.
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So,...just to clarify here, was the .32 {edit: Winchester} Special the .30-30 case necked up to .321?
Near as I can tell from case dimensions, yes, that is exactly what it is.
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So,...just to clarify here, was the .32 {edit: Winchester} Special the .30-30 case necked up to .321?
Yes. It was loaded with the same weight (170-grain) bullet, and to essentially the same muzzle velocity. Some will claim that the 32 W.S. (Winchester Special) has more knockdown (killing) power, but that is pure hogwash. The real truth is that the 30-30 and 32 W.S. start out with the same effective power, but the farther down range you get, the .308 diameter 30-30 pulls away from the .321 32 W.S. due to its higher BC (better cross sectional density). In simple terms, the 32 W.S. bullet sheds velocity faster than the 30-30 bullet does.
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quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
So,...just to clarify here, was the .32 {edit: Winchester} Special the .30-30 case necked up to .321?
Yes. It was loaded with the same weight (170-grain) bullet, and to essentially the same muzzle velocity. Some will claim that the 32 W.S. (Winchester Special) has more knockdown (killing) power, but that is pure hogwash. The real truth is that the 30-30 and 32 W.S. start out with the same effective power, but the farther down range you get, the .308 diameter 30-30 pulls away from the .321 32 W.S. due to its higher BC (better cross sectional density). In simple terms, the 32 W.S. bullet sheds velocity faster than the 30-30 bullet does.
At the normal range of which 90% of which deer are shot, don't rely on the velocity squared function of energy so much...E=MxV*2. Stick to the momentum and the Taylor factor...where T=MxVxD(bullet diameter)/7000. Same knock down effect that most people with the know prefer a 45-70 loaded with a hardcast 400 grain bullet, over a 30-06 or 300 magnum with a 200 grain slug, for stopping a big, angry bear.
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quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
So,...just to clarify here, was the .32 {edit: Winchester} Special the .30-30 case necked up to .321?
Yes. It was loaded with the same weight (170-grain) bullet, and to essentially the same muzzle velocity. Some will claim that the 32 W.S. (Winchester Special) has more knockdown (killing) power, but that is pure hogwash. The real truth is that the 30-30 and 32 W.S. start out with the same effective power, but the farther down range you get, the .308 diameter 30-30 pulls away from the .321 32 W.S. due to its higher BC (better cross sectional density). In simple terms, the 32 W.S. bullet sheds velocity faster than the 30-30 bullet does.
At the normal range of which 90% of which deer are shot, don't rely on the velocity squared function of energy so much...E=MxV*2. Stick to the momentum and the Taylor factor...where T=MxVxD(bullet diameter)/7000. Same knock down effect that most people with the know prefer a 45-70 loaded with a hardcast 400 grain bullet, over a 30-06 or 300 magnum with a 200 grain slug, for stopping a big, angry bear.
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The difference between a .308 and .321 bullet using your calculation is very negligible (as is the energy). I agree that it is considerable when comparing a .308 (30-06) to a .454 (45-70) bullet at greatly different velocities. My point is this... there is very little physical difference between the 30 WCF and the 32 WS... most of the difference is simply perceived.
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