SxS shotgun ID help

magicmanml2

Co-Worker of mine inherited this small SxS shotgun that was owned by his grandmother. He thought it was .410, but a current .410 shells are slightly to big in diameter to fit. Pics below, any info would help. I.E. caliber/bore, D.O.M. time frame, country of origin, value if any. thanks.

IMG_1744[1] by matt lollar, on Flickr
IMG_1740[1] by matt lollar, on Flickr
IMG_1743[1] by matt lollar, on Flickr
IMG_1741[1] by matt lollar, on Flickr
IMG_1742[1] by matt lollar, on Flickr

fordsix

early 410 type the early 410 ie 12mm were short or it is 44xl shot cartridge

duckhunter

9mm. shot shells

rufe-snow

The proof marks are Belgian. The Crown over the oval (ELG)? Means that it was proofed, for smokeless powder shells. Dating it to after the early 1890's.

The 10.4 might be the diameter of the bore in millimeters? By my calculations,.409+. Just under .410. Might be some early variation of the 410 shotgun shell? With slightly different dimensions?

charliemeyer007

You didn't provide enough pic's. One looking at the breach face and the ends of the barrels would be helpful.

Chamber cast is the answer. You could measure the bore, a tight patch would tell you if its choked.

Priceless family heirloom IMHO.

He Dog

Value for Belgian shotguns with much of the finish gone is very modest indeed, whatever it will bring as a wall hanger. Clean it gently, wax it and hang it on the wall.

gearheaddad

quote:Originally posted by duckhunter
9mm. shot shells

Since it appears a center fire, I would rule out 9mm shot shells since they're rim fires.
Possibly, a 410 brass shell is slightly smaller in diameter.....

Hawk Carse

I did a little Googling around.
Fordsix is in the ballpark. European 12mm may be thought of as the ancestor of the .410 but chambers are undersize for modern shells.

TRAP55

12mm or the Eley .410 2", they interchange. Good luck finding any, but brass cases can be made from cut down Brit .303 brass.
The 10.4 is the bore size, tight for a .410. I've seen examples where one barrel is marked 10.4 and the other 10.

kannoneer

If you google 'Belgian proof marks' you can find most of your stampings.
Time frame is circa 1900. I cannot make out the name on the side plate. Black powder only, low quality gun.
Value is perhaps 200 or 300 dollars since the small bore side-by-sides are the rarest. If the gun was a typical 12 ga. the value would be 50 to 100 bucks.

AdamsQuailHunter

Hello - If you are still watching your post - I would be interested in knowing the name on the plates of the side-locks. The moderator is going to lock this topic as it will have 10 replies - however you can go back and edit your post and add information at the bottom of your original post. Many Thanks In Advance -Best Regards - AQH