30cal IBM M1 Carbine w/ Underfolder installed 1960

0oAKo47o0

I found an M1 carbine for sale locally. I'm not too familiar with these weapons as I'm more into the combloc stuff but can somebody who is knowledgeable with these inform me? Are the IBM rifles any good? Does the aftermarket stock affect collector value? What's the price range, any common problems? and is it worth picking one up?

thorhammer

An IBM Carbine can run $1100 and up, with all correct parts and stock. The prices on carbines are all over the place, really depends on rarity of make and configuration...early or late types. A 1960 under-folder stock would be valued at $200, and a correct replacement if you could locate one would be $250 to $350, and than trying to find a correct hand guard. The correct sling would be $150.
Without the correct stock there is no collector value.

At the Carbine shoot a few years ago at the gun club the old sarge said the carbines start to do funny things after 200 rounds. I pulled mine apart and the piston was frozen up with carbon....about close to 300 rounds. I know the ammo runs high at $30 per 50. None of the WWII ammo was corrosive so barrels are mostly in good condition. The IBM's were not scarce, but numbers made were equivalent with the other makes except Inland and Winchester were the highest numbers made. Once you acquire the rifle it's internal parts may be mismatched from arsenal rebuilds after the war and would be costly to replace. If the rifle is in the $500 area than you have some room to work a restoration.
good luck, Thor

charliemeyer007

You should do an advanced search on completed auctions to see if there are any in your condition range.

I never liked the 30 carbine rifle or round, but there are people that do. I'm not an AR, AK or SKS guy either.

perry shooter

Shortly after going to work For IBM 1967 I found a very nice condition M1 carbine I still have it and enjoy shooting it [8D]

11b6r

Thor gave you a good summary. Of the 6.1 million carbines, about 248,480 were made by IBM. A correct carbine sells here for $800-$1100, some makes having more demand. Not correct, about $500- no collector's lure. Popular MILSURP in the 50s and 60s, when surplus carbine ammo was dirt cheap. Those days are long gone as is the cheap ammo.

nmyers

I'm not yet convinced that you are looking at an IBM carbine, as you did not post photos or give us the minimum information that we need to identify it. A carbine will have the manufacturer stamped on the receiver behind the rear sight notch, with a serial number in the assigned range. The barrel will be stamped with the manufacturer of the barrel, which may or may not be the same as the manufacturer of the receiver.

Most carbines that we see today have been rebuilt +/or repaired. So, you need to be able to identify just about every part in order to know if it is "correct" or not. Not a problem with this one, the aftermarket stock puts it in the "mixed parts" category. If you want to identify parts, there's an inexpensive book by Craig Riesch on the M1 carbine that provides detailed information.

I agree with Thor, you probably can't go wrong if you pay $500 or less. Just be sure that you remove the action from the stock for a good look before you buy. (Weld marks on the receiver or a loose barrel are signs that you should run away.)

Neal

rufe-snow

Not much I can add, as the previous posters have given good advice

The French produced carbine ammo with corrosive primers, I believe. Unlikely much of it still around. But if you were to buy a used carbine .Make sure as best you can, that the chamber is still functional. As a special tool is required to get it out, for cleaning. If it was fired with the French ammo, and than left uncleaned. Problems would occur.

The underfolder stock. Was made/sold? by some outfit in Calif. Back in the 60's. It was their cheesy take, on the Schmeisser. Doubt if it would add much value to a carbine nowadays. Never can tell though? I've seen a lot of gullible folks,( including me,[:(] ) fall for similar BS. Over the years.

perry shooter

left out the fact it was made by IBM