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Glocks suck?!?

reflexbowhunterreflexbowhunter Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
edited October 2002 in Ask the Experts
I'm seriously considering purchasing a Glock in a 26c or a 30 but someone directed me to the website www.glocksucks.com. Frankly, I believe there are incidents that can happen to any gun, regardless of make and model and that this may be a bit of Glock bashing. I'm curious to know if anyone has ever had any problem with certain Glocks or knows of any incident involving Glocks.
Also, I'm not too keen on the idea of not having a safety switch on Glocks. How do you guys deal with this issue for concealed carry purposes?

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    NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would all but ignore the information on that website.We know your not supposed to shoot plain lead bullets in a Glock.As far as shooting reloaded ammo show me a gun that in the owners manuel it doesnt say shooting reloaded ammo voids the warranty.I love my Glocks and even if I didnt I would say their a credible gun.Look at the torture test they have endured.Haveing a full size SUV park on top of a Glock for an hour,then retrieve the gun and fire 100 RDS with no malfunctions.And thata just one of the torture test.You can also see the quality of the gun when its used by more LEO Agency's than any other gun in America.I think you should not hesitate you will be served well by a Glock.If not they retain a good resale price,and Glock stands behind its products.Hope this helps.MY 2 cents
    The trigger safety is pretty adequate if the gun is Holstered.I would not stick it down in my pants thats for sure.If you are carrying in a belly band or fanny pack carry in condition 2.A fully loaded Mag with an empty chamber.
    Best!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret

    Edited by - Rugster on 10/27/2002 13:54:08
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    Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    I agree with rugster. I have a 17 & 26 and love them both. I'm planning on getting a 22 this next year. I don't think you can go wrong with a Glock. And remember, that if you want you can find people that hate everything out on the market today. Just try typing in a search for anything that you like with "sucks" after it. You'll find lots of people PO about it.

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    cliffdropover1cliffdropover1 Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This will probably stir the pot, but here goes. Glocks are probably the most durable there is. However, the trigger is difficult to get used to. There are many other guns out there that are great for concealed carry, which is a personal preference anyway. I don't like anything that feels like I am carrying a brick in my pocket. I have bought and collected since I was 14 and am now 57. Glock is the only gun I found to be unreliable even with factory ammo and got rid of the .45 cal. I had after about a month. This is the only gun I have ever gotten rid of. Bad trigger, innacurate, jammed open with "factory" rounds still in the magazine. Kimber, Para-Ordnance, even Kel-tec are more desirable.

    Hope this helps.
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    Well that was an amusing website. I thought that their "made by people who talk funny" comment was interesting- since the site is based out of Sydney Austrailia...and those folks don't "talk funny"? Also, short leather pants- or liederhosen, are worn by people from Southern Germany- Barvaria, and not by Austrians, where Glocks are made.

    I am not a huge fan of Glock pistols. I do not like their trigger and the grip has never fit my hand properly. There is however no reason in the world not to purchase a Glock pistol if you like them. The guns are not dangerous and if you avoid the use of the same ammunition types that Glock advises you not to use in their pistols- like reloads or remanufacutured rounds, you should have not trouble.

    The site mentions one instance where a failure of the pistol caused an injury to a shooter, who they claim was a LEO. They do not mention the agency, the date, or even the extent of the injury. I am not saying that this did not occure, but where is their source? If you stop and think of the hundreds of thousands of Glocks in service all over the world and fired every day, one incident would seem rather trivial. This reminds me of the old cracked slide incidents with the Beretta M9 pistols. Only a handful of Beretta pistols ever experienced these cracks and the cause was found to be extensive use by Navy SEALs of 9mm ammunition that approached proof loadings.

    All things considered, if a Glock is what you want and will work in the type of situations that you plan, I can se no reason not to purchase one. I prefer other brands, but that is a personal choice and not a safety issue.

    Mark T. Christian
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    IIISKAREIIKROIIIIIISKAREIIKROIII Member Posts: 252 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What can i say, the make or Glocksucks.com... the world is full of stupid people:-P Hopefully i didnt offend anyone. The dude has a point, i would be worried about exploding pistols too... but maybe he forgot to take the plug out of the end or something:-P I will be getting a glock, sometime in the next few years, havent really looked hard yet. But you can shoot them underwater, you can shoot them full of sand, whatever, They last, that is amazing to me. get the AR-15 NEAR sand, dirt, and dust, and it wont work, not even the dust cover can save you now:-P Glock is a rugged gun that is built to last. Chevy, like a rock... oh, wrong commercial:-P

    S.K.
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When we were issued Glocks, we went to a week long training. Shot hundreds of low power reloads and never had a problem. Qualifing every quarter is with factory loads. The trigger is somthing you like or don't. Since we shot Model 66 double action before Glocks, the trigger was not a problem for me.
    A lot of departments use Glocks as issue weapon, and this gun is unreliable?
    Please.

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    LABWILDLABWILD Member Posts: 506 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I HAVE TRIED HARD NOT TO LIKE GLOCKS. NOW I HAVE THREE. THEY DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. THEY ARE ACCURATE, FUNCTION WITH A WIDE RANGE OF AMMO, AND REQUIRE A MINIMUM OR MAINTENANCE. THEY ARE NOT PRETTY AND THE TRIGGERS TAKE SOME GETTING USED TO. AN EXCELLENT PRODUCT.
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    nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,023 ******
    edited November -1
    I have done no research, but I can report what I have seen.

    I have seen one Glock destroyed by a "K-Boom," where the case ruputures. One "K-Boom," one destroyed gun.

    I have seen several similar ammunition failures with Smith & Wesson, Beretta and SIG 9mms. No gun was destroyed.



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    ptsquidptsquid Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've owned three Glock's. Mod 22, 23, 27 (Gee, do I like the .40?)

    Still have the 23, and 27. I can't say enought good things about them. I had two failures to fire with the 22 and figured out the ammo was at fault. My wife shoots very well with my 23.

    I have a CHL and carry the 27 on a regular basis. Are other guns good? You bet! I also like the 1911 series from either SA or Kimber. I hope to acquire one in the near future.

    Go with what is comfortable and fits you, then practice as much as possible.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    DarrellDarrell Member Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We know your not supposed to shoot plain lead bullets in a Glock.
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    This is NOT true. An urban legend. You should not shoot SOFT lead. Polygonal rifling which is NOT rare in handguns doesn't grip lead as well as it might, thus SOME loss in accuracy but NOT enough to empact the majority of shooting you would do. The Glock is NOT a TARGET gun. Many shooers fire lead with no issues at all. In fact I asked the Glock folks at a Shot Show this question. " If Winchester Remington or other major manufacturer made lead bullets for 9mm would it impact the warranty or be a problem to fire in a Glock?" Their people said, " NO." This was the only crevat. " We would suggest examining the bore for leading on a frequent basis." It seems the lead thing is a big urban legend but it "sounds good."
    Also Glock does make their guns with conventional rifling. You don't have to get the polygonal rifling which also is found in many guns like the Jerhico line and others. In fact, NYPD got 24,000 Glocks with conventional rifling. It is like external safeties. Glock does make them. It's called a Model 17S. They just don't offer it unless pressed. However they may release this model to general sales shortly.
    NYPD has had excessive failures with their Glock 17's and 19's and Glock is in the process of rebuilding all 24,000 Glocks for NYPD at factory cost.
    In all honesty I think NYPD is over reacting, but it is their choice.
    The Glock is no more reliable or durable than any of the other major manufacturers on the market. The repair shop at Glock isn't idle or closing early.
    The Glock .40's have had the "K'boom" problem. We have had several at our range one with a new gun out of the box. NO it is NOT the ammunition. What is interesting the blow out the bottom destroying the magazine and often do little other damage. What is very interesting is that there has never been such a reported case involving an AFTERMARKET barrel with a supported chamber. If I had a glock .40 I wouldn't sweat it. Stuff happens.
    With a few rare exceptions of handloads most are factory ammo and when the gun is sent to Glock or the ammunition manufacturer they both make NO comment on what happened. You are NOT told. Both more often that not just replace the gun without comment.
    Glock has a long history of recalls including a major one in the early 1990's of over 400,000 guns to replace several parts because of multiple burst discharges and slamfires. The most recent for some questionable frame rails. Again, not a bad thing, but the gun is just like any other in that price range.
    Many shooters will boast, " My gun never jams." GOOD, but that has nothing much to do with others. One gun isn't a trend. In tracking 3,700 shooters we find the failure rate for Glock is about the same as others in all areas. In fact I can't think of one brand of model gun that's hasn't malfunction at one time or another. ANY semi-auto has perils associate with it's use. It's just a gun.
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    bikrprchrbikrprchr Member Posts: 217 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also tried for years to hate Glocks. I used to mouth all the familiar complaints about them, but had never actually even held one. Then I started to do a little research a couple of months ago, and now own 3 of them. As for the trigger complaint, after a couple of simple changes involving factory parts, the triggers on my glocks are equal to my other pistols. As far as shooting problems, I have not experienced any difficulties, except for one fail to extract when I limp wristed on recoil. Hold firm like you are supposed to and the action works perfectly. I find even my 10mm to be very pleasant to shoot. The glock 45 shoots every bit as well as my para p14 stainless, and out of the box accuracy os more than acceptable. I look forward to wearing these and maybe other glocks out in the future (roflmao). I am really impressed with the design and quality of these fine firearms. Good luck

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