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varminter3
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OK, I'm kinda slow. I know what a M1 is and also a M1A carbine. In basic training I carried an M-14. Heavy gun, I hated it.Is this a smaller clone of the M1 or what?I've always been curious.
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Thanks for your help
Neal
EDIT: I believe rufe-snow is referring to Federal Ordnance rifles, which were mostly made in China, as were the Norinco's & Polytech's. USGI rifles were made by Springfield Armory, Winchester, TRW, & Harrington & Richardson Arms. Many USGI rifles were stolen from the military, so it would be wise to positively identify that the one in question is legal to possess so as to avoid extensive incarceration.
EDIT: A Norinco would have had a manufacturers name. As would a USGI receiver. If we could see the SN, that would probably allow us to rule out stolen US property. But, even a Norinco without a name would be impossible to legally transfer through an FFL. Plus, the only documented analysis of an M14 catastrophic failure was due to poor metallurgy in an unidentifiable barrel (Chinese ?). Maybe this one has too many possible problems.
From the 1970's onward a number of commercially made semi-auto replicas of the M 14 were made. If I had to guess your unmarked one was probably one of the National Ordnance, "Do It Yourself" kit guns.
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
Even older US military firearms contain at least the manufacturer's name along with a serial because that number alone really does no one any good without knowing whose serial number it is.
What it boils down to is that you shouldn't be seeing any sort of modern firearm in the US marked with just a serial number.
Does the area of the receiver where the manufacturer's info should be appear to have been buffed down or altered in some way?
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quote:Originally posted by varminter3
Ok, if its a norinco as stated without markings is it legal to own. Or should I walk away from the deal.
Manufacturers are allowed to choose whatever numbers or letter number combinations they wish for their serials, as long as they aren't repeated. Due to this, a serial number alone would be of no use if the manufacturer who created the series isn't also specified.
Look up and give Code of Federal Regulations 478.92 a read. It describes what markings are required.
I don't have even a wild guess. Without photos, we can't help you.
Neal
EDIT: I believe rufe-snow is referring to Federal Ordnance rifles, which were mostly made in China, as were the Norinco's & Polytech's. USGI rifles were made by Springfield Armory, Winchester, TRW, & Harrington & Richardson Arms. Many USGI rifles were stolen from the military, so it would be wise to positively identify that the one in question is legal to possess so as to avoid extensive incarceration.
National Ordnance was owned by John Arnold. Although he was in business located in the same city as Federal Ordnance, and had ties to them. His business was a separate entity. When he passed away in the early 70's, the M 14 receivers and parts were sold as "Do it Yourself" kits, by the executors of his estate.
I don't believe a Norinco M 14 receiver would be unmarked other then serial number.
I believe that your receiver is one of Arnold's and would pass on it. Unless you had the opportunity to test fire it, for positive function. At least 100 rounds.
Ok, if its a norinco as stated without markings is it legal to own. Or should I walk away from the deal.
Its legal....I bought mine from a well established FFL. He would have known if it was legal or no5.....
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
I don't have even a wild guess. Without photos, we can't help you.
Neal
EDIT: I believe rufe-snow is referring to Federal Ordnance rifles, which were mostly made in China, as were the Norinco's & Polytech's. USGI rifles were made by Springfield Armory, Winchester, TRW, & Harrington & Richardson Arms. Many USGI rifles were stolen from the military, so it would be wise to positively identify that the one in question is legal to possess so as to avoid extensive incarceration.
National Ordnance was owned by John Arnold. Although he was in business located in the same city as Federal Ordnance, and had ties to them. His business was a separate entity. When he passed away in the early 70's, the M 14 receivers and parts were sold as "Do it Yourself" kits, by the executors of his estate.
I don't believe a Norinco M 14 receiver would be unmarked other then serial number.
I believe that your receiver is one of Arnold's and would pass on it. Unless you had the opportunity to test fire it, for positive function. At least 100 rounds.
Its a Norinco........and it said that on the box and psper work.......I put the barrel and stock on it!