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muzzle loading revolvers,

robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in Ask the Experts
I have a traditions stainless steel new army, in .44 blackpowder. This revolver shoots accurate enough, with my load using pyrodex powder, and I know some dont approve of it, but.... Anyway, the question is, do any of you notice that your accuracy goes to #$%! after the first cylinder full of rounds, and that its nearly impossible to reload unless you clean the cylinder first, cause thats the experience I've had, and I need to know if thats a normal problem, or not, if its something I can fix, or do I just live with it. I know why the soldiers in the movies are never seen reloading their revolvers now.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Doesn't sound right. I use black powder& don't have that problem. If the ballsare too hard or too large they will beharder to load. You should be able to cuta mark in the ball with your fingernail.I also assume you are using some type of over ball lube.
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  • bsebastbsebast Member Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like gruntled, my experience is also with black powder. I often shot 12-15 rounds from the same chamber in competition before cleaning. Never had any problems loading. Make sure you are using balls made from pure lead (wheel weights won't do in muzzleloaders), and some sort of over the ball lube. If your pistol is 44 caliber, try .451 and .454 balls made by Speer. If you have some FFF black powder, start with 20 grains and work up to 30 to see where you get best accuracy. My target shooting was done with 20 grains of FFF.
    Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Ephesians 4:29 bsebast@airmail.net[This message has been edited by bsebast (edited 11-23-2001).]
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    SaxonPig, Quite right, you wouldnt actually call it a muzzle loader now would you? I suppose you could call it a 'lever operated, front loading cylinder, blackpowder revolver'? Hhhhmmmmm? Kind of long though, even if it is accurate. How 'bout we just stick with 'blackpowder revolver' and let others worry about how the bullet is inserted? Or should I correctly call it 'round ball', no wait, actually it may not be round, it is more than likely just spherical in nature, so lets call it spherical. Oh, yes, and why not correct the revolver term. This weapon in no way revolves in ones hand when firing it. So this is a blackpowder, well no, I shoot Pyrodex so I guess thats not right either, hmmmmm... lets see now, how about, yes I think I have it. Handgun, rotating cyliner, multiple spherical ball projectile firing, multi-propellant activated, .44 caliber. And this might even be an acceptable description for the military. Oh yeah, can you tell me anything regarding the problem I'm having?
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bsebast, I use Hornady .451 round balls, with I believe 40 gr. (volumetric), but I'd have to check, of FFFg equivalent of Pyrodex, with Ox-Yoke over the ball prelubricated pathces. My accuracy is fine the first 6 shots, but after that, its opening up like a sawed off shotgun at 50 yds. and its almost impossible to reload the cylinder. Any ideas? I'm listening to everyone on this. I even tried fire lapping this barrel. That has nothing to do with the cylinder though, so I am scratching my head over this.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try 185gr .45ACP semi wadcutters over about 30gr FFFG.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ain't no such thang as a muzzle loading revolver. It's a cap and ball revolver. Dang it get yore terminology right.
    So many guns to buy. So little money.
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Personaly I don't think anyone is listening. Bore !@#$%%^&* got not much to do with reloading the cylinder. the last guy had it right. Change the niples, use mag. primers, took care of my problems, Oh yeah don't let the kids snap the trigger it mashes the nipples. Found out the hard way.
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  • Tony BarnesTony Barnes Member Posts: 10 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I allways had problems with black powder guns,untill I stop using petrolium based oils. I coudn't fire but a few shots untill the barrel was so full of residue it was hard to load and accuracy went out the window. Then I started using all natural lubricants, like bore butter. It actually seasons the barrel like a frying pan, the more you shoot it, the less fowling happens. Think about it, the old mountain men didn't have wd-40, clp,ect. Yet they staked their lives on these guns, and not just for a shot or two. They used bear grease and other natural lubes. I use wonder wads over my powder in my Old Army and seat my ball. No grease over the ball. I have never had a "chain" fire, and can shoot a load of 30 grains of FFFg untill I am tired of shooting.I have shot at least 40 shots without swabing the barrel. Black powder seems to ignight better than pyrodex. Clean up with hot soapy water is easy. Before you use all natural products make sure all oil is out of gun. These products also prevent rust on the outside of your gun. Long winded but I hope this helps.
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