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Shipping ammo

gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 2002 in Ask the Experts
Okay I read the sticky on it. From what I get from it and what I have been told over the years,
shipping live ammo via the USPS is illegal.

Then my question is; if it is illegal then how are the big sellers on the auction side
getting away with shipping ammo via USPS?
They state they ship USPS and the shipping price they are giving is for Priority Mail.
I know because I know what UPS charges and there is no way I can charge $6 - $7 less to match their shipping price
on the same ammo via UPS.

I now understand why we do not sell as much ammo even though our price for the auction is within line with the rest.
Our shipping cost kills it because we ship within the law.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What carrier(s) can I ship ammo through? Do you have to declare what is in the shipment? Just need some info on shipping laws governing ammunition. Also, I am not a FFL holder. How can I ship a firearm legally?
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone ship ammo? Let me know of anything special that needs done.Thanks
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am an individual in Illinois and have some ammo I want to put on the auction site. What are the legalities of me selling and shipping? Thanks!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Am I allowed to ship ammo with the U.S. Postal Service? Seems like people are doing it but it seems to conflict what the postal service says is non-mailable items.

    Thanks,
    Mike
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guys, our sticky is 7+ years old and I'm wondering if there have been new restrictions placed in these years. I have a couple of boxes of old Colt .32 long that I want to put on the auction side. I don't want to go to jail for this little amount of money.

    Thanks,
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am going to use UPS ground with ORM-D lables but I need to know of any restrictions from one individual in Louisiana to another in Illinois. Is a copy of their FOID card all I need.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm new to the site so appologies if this is the wrong place to ask this. I'm not a dealer, I just have some ammo sitting around that I no longer have guns for. When I sell it on the auction site, are there any precautions I should take with regard to who I ship to and how?
    Thanks for the help.

    Don W.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm looking for information on shipping ammo.
    Whats involved shipping a sealed spam can of ammo using UPS ?
    Do you have to tell them whats in the box, or just ship it and shut up?
    I called the ups store today and got the run around-evil ammo lecture.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can ship ammo from a UPS Customer Center (not a franchised UPS store)without any problem whatsoever. The rate will be the regular "per pound" rate as all other consumer goods. Here is a bank of ORM-D Labels you can print on an Avery blank label full sheet page:

    CopyofORM-DLabels.jpg

    Here is what a package of Avery full sheet label media looks like, from Office Depot:

    AveryFullSheetLabelImage.jpg

    Just have your carton well packed and tight with labels attached, and when you go to the computer to make a shipping label at the UPS terminal, write in "consumer" when it asks what type of material is being shipped. When you get your UPS SHIPPING LABEL FINISHED, STICK IT ON YOUR PACKAGE AND TAKE IT TO THE SCALES AND SAY "SHIP IT GROUND" No other action is necessary. They'll weigh it, scan your UPS label and ask you for the money. Pay and you're done.

    Forget about FEDEX, and DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAILING AMMO USPS!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hi went to usps today about shipping ammo lady was clueless,what are the rules?
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What is the most cost effective way to ship approximately 100lbs of 10mm ammo from one state to another. Fedex wants to charge me around 350$ any other ideas would be great.

    WordBorn!!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't have an FFL. Can I ship ammo to someone that does not have an FFL ? Thanks
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been including my extra ammo in my auctions when I sell a gun that I only have one of in that caliber. This is the first time I have ever sold any of my firearms...but just too many right now.

    Shipping is a RIP-OFF!!! USPS won't take it, UPS wants it by contracted businesses only, at $40 per parcel, and Fed-Ex wants $30 per parcel.

    Any other options for shipping????....this is a joke!!!

    Thanks!!!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently sold my last .380 to a fellow 4 states away-gun went expensively but completely legally to his local FFL. I have 300? rds. of older but unfired, in-the-box factory ammo. He wants to buy it on the cheap, which is cool with me-I have no further need.

    I live in a small Rocky Mtn. community. I called our single local UPS and FedEx offices-you'd think I wanted to ship a hundred lbs. of C4 on Air Force One. I check ups/fedex.coms. The hazardous materials pages are absurd and endless. I have to be a certified hazardous materials contract shipper with a pick-up account to even call them. Has it truly become easier to ship an arm than a small quantity of ammo?

    I see ammo for sale on this and other arms sites-often small quantities for prices in the teens by non-FFL's. What do these guys do? What's the average Joe Citizen to do other than 'inadvertantly mistate' the package contents?

    Thanks for any help.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hello I have 3 old boxes of remington kleenbore rifle ammo 45-70 that I want to list on gunbroker but I am unsure of how to ship the ammo to a buyer without costing a small fortune any help will be greatly appreciated I can best be contacted at gundoc2000@yahoo.com

    thanks for any help Dan
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I assume that USPS still does not take Ammo? Is that what ya'll see? Lots of people are still using them and seemingly not getting caught. Ive told some not to us them but still see ammo getting shipped through them.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know you have to ship ammo UPS or FedEx. And you need to mark the outside of the box. How?
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to sell .300 WSM ammo on Gunbroker.com that I don't need anymore. I have never shipped ammo before. Need advice on how to ship ammo. Anybody have any tips? Is see UPS requires special labeling, but are there HAZMAT fees? The information on shipping firearms is clear, but ammo not so.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Friend wants me to ship some 380 ammo to Ohio how can i find out what state or legal to ship to.
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I want to ship my son-in-law some 30-06 ammo. Who will take this Postal service fed-ex or ups????
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone have any tips for me on shipping ammo out to a buyer? This will be the first time I've ever sold ammon online. REALLY appreciate the help! Thanks!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are rules for shipping ammo sold on Gun Broker?
    Can ammo be shipped in same box with a pistol??
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  • rick_renorick_reno Member Posts: 186 ✭
    edited November -1
    UPS works best for shipping ammo - it can't go via air. UPS has some printable labels that you put on the box that they will fax to you.
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    Do they charge an astronomical "haz-mat" charge to ship ammo?
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  • spclarkspclark Member Posts: 408 ✭
    edited November -1
    g'hog,When I buy ammo from retailers they charge me a $15 HazMat fee to ship UPS. I imagine UPS would do the same for "private" shippers, n addition to their regular ground shipping fees, but I've never personally needed to ship ammo. I prefer to shoot mine.I did have a guy mail me about 30 rounds of .35 Remington once that I bought on auction (along with some spent cases); thought it was a bit risky myself at the time. With the current situation at the P.O. I wouldn't recommend this practice.
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  • Rob3448Rob3448 Member Posts: 171 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My local UPS told me that no cal. under .50 needs a hazmat fee. So i only have ever had to mail UPS ground (and pay the regular fees) Now, maybe my local UPS shipping center knows nothing at all too. But i know u have to double wrap all ammo and write small arms ammo on the box. (then again the people at my UPS shipping center are not the smartest people)
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can ship live ammo only by common carrier ground transport. As SP indicated, the local terminals seem to have different policies based on the PC of the managers, so take a copy of the company policies. FedEx Ground is better than UPS in some places, worse in others. Pkg must be marked "ORM-D Small Arms Ammunition" on at least two sides. There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo.NOTE to spclark: if someone is charging you 'hazmat' for shipping ammo, they are ripping you off!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is legit for powder, primers, but NFW on ammo.
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  • crisisbillcrisisbill Member Posts: 487 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ammo must be shipped via UPS Ground Service, there is no Haz Mat fee.Mark the box ORM-DThat indicates small arms ammo
    If you Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Failfreetog@ulster.net
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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i dont know what ORM_D really means but it also has to be on gun-blueing chemicals. barto
    the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
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  • bhayes420bhayes420 Member Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I used to work for a major air-frieght carrier as a Haz-Mat specialist. "ORM-D" stands for "Other Regulated Material". There are differnt classes of the stuff. Ammo is class "D". Things like spray paint (even the non-flammable kind) are classied as ORM's for air shipping. Even finger nail polish remover ships as a flammable liquid. Pick up a copy of Title 49 USCFR for shipping regs that all ground carriers have to use, or a copy of the much more restrictive IATA regs that all air carriers have to follow. We used to ship "ORM-D" by air all the time. I doubt IATA has changed their regs to keep it off air, but it is up to the carrier if they want to be more restrictive. Back in 89, we loaded SEVERAL of our 747's to the gills with ammo going to Saudi Arabia when the military stepped in and "commandered" some of our freight capacity. And even then, we shipped small personal quantities of ammo all the time. And no, I didn't work for UPS. Think purple and orange.
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    Everybody that responded to this, THANKS!!! I just asked a simple question that a lot of people probably had and got excellent response. Now I know that I can ship that 222Mag. ammo and those antique paper shells without fearing the wrath of the gov't!!!!
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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    thanks for all the info.gunrunner68
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  • modocmodoc Member Posts: 474 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ground hog,you aren't the only guy mesmerized by the knowledge espoused today.Things like this keeps me comming back here to learn.Thank you one and all.modoc
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