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S&W question REDEUX

JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
edited October 2010 in Ask the Experts
OK, sooo I was able to look at the pistol I inquired about yesterday. It is a revolver (which after your comments, I figured it would be)

it has the rounded front blade and was chambered 45c. Now, after the chambering designation, it has proof marks inside of crowns. the first has "bv" inside the crown, the second has "something I can't make out without clean up", then "p") inside the crown, the third has "np" inside the crown.

under the chamber designation is stamped "ac" there are other symbols I would have to photograph to show you.

serial number 552xx and frame is stamped 9346

anyone know what model this is and any value?? he plans on flipping it for a profit as he is not into firearms at all.

thanks guys
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    From the serial number you have given, it's a .455 Mark II, 2nd Model, Hand Ejector. They were made between 1915 & 1917, for the Brits & Canadians. If it's a .45 LC it's been rechambered, as they were originally .455.

    Here is a photo off the net of a 1917 U.S. Army .45 ACP revolver. The Brit revolver would appear the same except it has a 1" longer barrel and checkered grips.

    m1917_2.jpg
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rufe, the gun has three dates stamped on the barrel according to him, after some light clean-up with oil.

    Oct 8, 1901
    dec 17, 1901
    feb 8, 1906

    Do these mean anything? it looks like the one you have pictured, but the 45C is a factory S&W stamping.

    BTT
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  • dcs shootersdcs shooters Member Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some 1917's were made in what was considered special chamberings of the .44 Hand Ejector series. The serial number would put this one a .44 Hand Ejector 3RD. Model. Might be a overlaping 2nd model.
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    Rufe, the gun has three dates stamped on the barrel according to him, after some light clean-up with oil.

    Oct 8, 1901
    dec 17, 1901
    feb 8, 1906

    Do these mean anything? it looks like the one you have pictured, but the 45C is a factory S&W stamping.



    The Patent dates you have shown are the standard ones found on the Second Model .455 revolvers made for the Brits and Canadian's. With the Brit Proof Marks they were originally .455's not .45 LC. Unless somebody swapped out the barrel for a original one marked 45 C, I can't see how it could be original?
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rufe, the cleaning of the surface reveals that the stamping on the barrel only says 45 and what I thought was a "C" following it appears to be a stamp of a campfire or something resembling one.

    were the 455's you mentioned only stamped 45??
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  • dcs shootersdcs shooters Member Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcs shooters
    Some 1917's were made in what was considered special chamberings of the .44 Hand Ejector series. The serial number would put this one a .44 Hand Ejector 3RD. Model. Might be a overlaping 2nd model.


    EDIT: Look at page 115 in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, under "The .44 Hand Ejector 2ND model"
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    Rufe, the cleaning of the surface reveals that the stamping on the barrel only says 45 and what I thought was a "C" following it appears to be a stamp of a campfire or something resembling one.

    were the 455's you mentioned only stamped 45??


    Appears to me that when it was rechambered for .45 LC, the barrel marking was reworked or changed whatever, to eliminate the 2nd 5 in .455.

    This is what the original barrel marking should look like.

    DSCF0022-1.jpg
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