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Ammo ID

TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
edited December 2016 in Ask the Experts
,,,,need help identifying what appears to be miniature shotgun shells,,,,,they are no larger than a .22LR and are loaded with sawdust like substance,,,,,have pix but unable to get them to post on GB,,,,,any ideas what they might be used for ?????????

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  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was loading some AK magazines the other day in prep for going to the range. I keep an ammo can of loose 7.62 X 39.

    While loading my mags I encountered 10 rounds of ammo mixed in with my AK ammo. Dont know how it got in there. This ammo is 7.62 and has a case 1/4" longer than AK ammo and 1/4" shorter than .308 - 7.62 X 51. Anyone know what caliber it is?

    Here is a pic... ?? ammo in the middle. AK on left. .308 on right.

    [img][/img]IMG_2881.jpg
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend hand some old ammo in boxes and asked if I could find out what he had:

    RAIS, M41 .38 Special
    WW38 S&IW Western
    .45 ACP F.A.937 Looked like two military papers boxes with about 20 round per box.

    Thanks

    Emmett
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have some 30 Caliber M2 Ball ammo.
    Bullet is Cupro-Nickle
    Primers are sealed in red and the bullets are sealed in red also.
    Headstamp is TE 57 C 1
    I know it is 30-06, want to know where it was made.
    According to Cartridges of the World; it is machine gun ammo.
    152gr. bullet.
    Is the "TE" or "C" the manufacturer?

    If the "C" there are 3 possibilities.
    1. Creedmore Cartridge Co., Barberton OH
    2. Munitionsfabrik Cassel, Cassel, Germany
    3. Pirotecnico Dell'Esercito Capua, Capua, Italy

    If the "TE" there are 2 possibilities.
    1. Cartoucherie de Toulouse, Toulouse, France
    2. Toyo Seiki, Ltd., Tokyo, Japan

    Just something for the experts to think about.

    I know pictures say a thousand words. Can not remember my Picture Trail account[:0]
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ran across some ammo headstamp FA then T&P I know FA is Frankford Arsenal what about the T P? Someone told me may be match ammo?
    Thanks JGW


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  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    went to small gun show this morning, ended up buying ziploc bag full, 32, of 8mm mauser, 8x57 the head markings are z on top, roman numeral 7, VII, on bottom on left 19, on right 37, the bullet is silver jacketed (steel) any ideas on what it is? also the brass is drab green color, I'm sure its military safe to shoot?
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think I know what it is but just double checking.

    I have about 700 rds of copper colored .308 ammo. It is stamped 61 on the top and 92 on the bottom.

    I think it is Chinese made in 92......
  • fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,554 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    if french it is corrocive as heck
  • ampartsamparts Member Posts: 140 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is French, usually 20 rd boxes.
  • heavyironheavyiron Member Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi,

    This should be a four segment French headstamp. There are other configurations for the headstamp, but I believe based on the information you provided the below is the most likely. The headstamp elements should be configured on the base of the cartridge something like the image below.

    [img][/img]qoUxnMX.jpg

    Ateliers de Construction, Toulouse France is the manufacturer, therefore, TE is the maker. TE should appear at 9 o'clock on the headstamp. TE was a military cartridge producer and was in operation from 1927 until the late 1980's. Some of their latest headstamps will also contain the Nato symbol.

    "C" is the metal supplier and in this case is Compagnie Fran?aise des M?taux, de Castelsarrasin. It should be located at 3 o'clock on the headstamp.

    "57" is the year of production and it appears most commonly at 12 o'clock on the headstamp.

    "1" is the quarter of the year of production and it will appear at 6 o'clock. Sometimes the caliber is shown at 6 o'clock instead of the quarter.

    Hope this helps.

    Heavyiron
  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by heavyiron
    Hi,

    This should be a four segment French headstamp. There are other configurations for the headstamp, but I believe based on the information you provided the below is the most likely. The headstamp elements should be configured on the base of the cartridge something like the image below.

    [img][/img]qoUxnMX.jpg

    Ateliers de Construction, Toulouse France is the manufacturer, therefore, TE is the maker. TE should appear at 9 o'clock on the headstamp. TE was a military cartridge producer and was in operation from 1927 until the late 1980's. Some of their latest headstamps will also contain the Nato symbol.

    "C" is the metal supplier and in this case is Compagnie Fran?aise des M?taux, de Castelsarrasin. It should be located at 3 o'clock on the headstamp.

    "57" is the year of production and it appears most commonly at 12 o'clock on the headstamp.

    "1" is the quarter of the year of production and it will appear at 6 o'clock. Sometimes the caliber is shown at 6 o'clock instead of the quarter.

    Hope this helps.

    Heavyiron


    That is the headstamp.
    So what I have is the French made 30 06.
    I knew someone would know what was what.
    Thank you very much.

    Mike
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