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FFL question

beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
edited December 2001 in Ask the Experts
What are the current fees associated with getting an FFL-01? Just toying with the idea. Thanks
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was just wondering how many guns can you legally buy and sell a year without having an FFL.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am considering getting my FFL. Are the kits that are out there worth it?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you possess your own FFL, can you legally purchase a long gun from an individual without logging it into your books? I am looking to purchase one for my own collection and use
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you purchase a gun off gunbroker.com and the seller has an FFL and ships the gun to another state. Since the gun was purchased and paid for in another state, does the receiving FFL Dealer have to collect a state sales tax for the gun being shipped to his state?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when shipping a longarm to a ffl do you need a signed and dated copy of license or just the number?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TO OBTAIN A FFL , DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE OF BUISNESS OR A STORE{SHOP}? OR CAN YOU JUST DO BUISNESS AT GUN SHOWS AND ON THE WEB? CURIUOS!
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a federal regulation that a private party must send a copy of their valid photo ID (drivers license) with a mailed firearm when shipping the gun to an out of state FFL? This is during the completion of a Gunbroker auction/sale ? If there is, could you please identify the correct regulation number (or copy it to this thread) so I can be in complete compliance?

    Thanks...
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sold gun on G B and shiped to purchaser"s dealer. got a call from dealer saying i did not include my ffl # told them i am not a dealer , but sent gun to them for proper transfer. they said guns must ship from dealer to dealer. are they correct? if so i have sent many guns to dealers and never a problem. but do i have a problem now?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a freind comes to wisconsin every year from california
    for deer season and flies with his gun.
    This year airline charged him $70.00 1 way for an extra pc. of luggage.
    Rather than pay an another $70.00 on return, he took the bolt and magazine with him and I shipped the rifle back to him
    Since he is the lawful owner, is it legal for me to return to him in this manner

    Thanks
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am trying to sell a RRA LAR-15 right now. I have a guy willing to pay the price but he is across the state line. I am in Utah and he is in Idaho. Do I need to go through an FFL to sell this to him over the state line? Or only if I ship it? If I drive the 3 hours up to his city and sell it to him face to face is that illegal?

    TIA
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This may or may not be the right place to ask this..so moderators please move this if I'm incorrect. I'm looking into getting a FFL C&R but I've been searching all over the web trying to find a clear answer. My question is...if I were to obtain an FFL C&R...what weapons am I allowed to obtain with this license...and more importantly what weapons am I NOT allowed to obtain. I'm an avid collector of WWII firearms, but I'd also like to get a little bit more modern full auto firearms as well. What stance does the government have on C&R holders obtaining full autos? Can you not obtain ANY full auto? Are you limited to full autos past the 50yr mark? Or can you obtain any full auto?

    Thanks in advance!
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Scenario: A person over time has acquired and owns 50 guns. That person then applies for and receives a FFL. I know that he/she must keep the personal guns separate from the "FFL guns". But what if the person sells some of the 50 guns he owned prior to obtaining the FFL? Does he have to log them into his book and then sell them? Or does he simply sell them without doing the paperwork?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just recently got my FFL, and was wondering the best way to find a supplier(s) [ for firearms ] that is reliable and trustworthy...any thoughts ? thanks in advance for your help.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know that you have to have a copy of an out of state FFL before you can ship a gun to him. But how do I prove this to a friend who just knows that anybody can ship to an FFL? Which is the regulation that spells it out that the FFL must be in hand before you ship? I couldn't find the particular regulation or law on the ATF Website. Or is this just under the heading of common sense, as in so you know you are shipping to an actual FFL? Instead of just a voice on the telephone claiming to be an FFL. I'm serious, this question just came up for the first time as I always knew you had to have the FFLin hand and it's frustrating not to be able to sight the actual regulation. Thanks for the help.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I ordered a firearm and am having it sent to a FFL dealer in the town I live in. However,the seller, FAC, does not have the firearm in stock and may not for a month yet. By that time I may be living in another state. Can the FFL dealer still transfer the firearm to me if I am living in a different state when he receives it (assuming I go there and pick it up?) Thanks.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay, help me out guys (and gals)!

    Here is the deal. I like to collect WWII firearms. (M1 Garands, Carbines, Mausers, Arisakas etc.) I live in PA in the good old
    US of A!
    I would like to get a Thompson and a Grease gun, vintage full auto for my collection. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, but that is not an issue. I already have a PA concealed carry permit (not that it matters, just tells you i am totally clean) I am not interested in reselling, just buying. What federal permits will i need to apply for in order to legally obtain these? I do want them 100% working not semi auto conversions!

    Thanks for your help!
    PJ
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CAN A PERSON GET AN FFL FOR A HOMEBASE BUSINESS? EVERYONE KEEPS
    TELLING ME I HAVE TO HAVE A STORE FRONT? I AM IN THE PROCESS OF
    STARTING A SMALL AMMO SHOP IN MY GARAGE. I HAVE APPLIED FOR A RETAIL
    SALES LICENSE'S AND OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE'S ALSO. THERE ARE NO ZONING
    LAWS IN MY STATE OR COUNTY WHICH PREVENT ME FROM DOING THIS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THE ATF WOULD GRANT ME AN FFL? DOES ANYBODY KNOW.THANKS!!
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I sell a rifle. I have to send it to a FFL holder. If the FFL doesnt accept from an individual I will have to go thru a dealer. What kind of paperwork do I have to have? Do I need a ink signed copy of their FFL or can a faxed copy do? Do I even need paperwork if I go thru a ffl?


    Thanks
    dgac
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if I buy a receiver made after 1892 what does an FFL do with my info. Could I be rejected for some reason due to past history or area where I live. Just asking cause I never bought a receiver made after 1899.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone tell me how long it usually takes to recieve you ffl once you send it in?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have asked this question before but didn't get much of a reply. I have just sent in my FFL application to the ATF. I was wondering about how long it takes for them to process it and issue the license. I know since 9/11 it will probably take longer but if someone could just give me a time frame it took to get theirs i would appeciate it. Thanks.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1)Can a non-FFL holding person ship a pistol to a gunsmith?

    2)Can it be shipped instate, interstate?

    3)If a non-FFL holding person is allowed to ship a gun/pistol to a gunsmith how is the Non-FFL person allowed to ship pistols? USPS, UPS, Fedex? Must they use the services of a FFL holder?

    Thanks in advance.
    Dean
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I have several guns, hand and long, shipped to my FFL guy, other than the $25 transfer fee per firearm, and I go there once when he has them all, I'm assuming he'll charge me only for one single background check fee? Is this correct?
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently posted on here about problems with my EAA Baikal. Well, I e-mailed them, and they said I could send it to them and they would fix it and send it back, with the only cost to me the one way shipping. My question is, do I have to take it to a FFL holder to ship it and have it shipped back to? Or is this only for buying/selling. I would think I still have to take it to an FFL holder, but if I dont have to, I wont. Thanks!

    shoey
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HI guys,
    several days ago i posted a question inquiring about a c&r license. I received several good suggestions. I'm thinking about going ahead and getting a dealers license. i want to be able to buy and sell guns on Gunbroker without having to run everything through a local pawn shop. Can i run a business strictly on the internet or do i actually need a shop for people to come into?
    Thanks,
    Sherwin
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    guy I work with has his ffl and was willing to receive a shotgun I am thinking of buying. He says $10 and tax, I know the $10 is a good deal but since when do they have to collect sales tax. the gun is comming from iowa to wva, is he correct?
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  • Der GebirgsjagerDer Gebirgsjager Member Posts: 1,673 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Beantole! How did you get into such a mess? If it's all done through another FFL dealer the answer is yes for a handgun or a long gun. The receiving dealer in your old state can forward it to a dealer in your new state, and you can pick it up from him. Naturally, you can expect to get shafted twice for handling fees. If you don't use a second dealer, and it's a handgun, the answer is no; as out-of-state customers can not buy handguns in a state other than that of their residence. If you don't use a second dealer, and it's a long gun, and your new state is contiguious with your old state (that means that they share a common geographical border), the answer is maybe; as Federal Law provides that if both states have passed enabling legislation residents from either state may buy a long gun from a dealer in the other state. Your present dealer should know if this is possible in your case. But, why complicate your life? Why not have the gun shipped directly to a dealer in your new state? If you know approximately where you're relocating to you should be able to get the name of a dealer in that area out of the yellow pages and arrange it all over the phone; or perhaps by letter, as a written record would be better if things go astray.
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  • M.OpaliskiM.Opaliski Member Posts: 244 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The simple answer is no. But, if you can be a bit more specific as to what type of firearm, perhaps if it is a long gun, there is a possibility that you can take possession of the firearm at an FFL's location despite that fact that it is in a state other than that of your resident state. Basically the law breaks down as follows ... in order to lawfully recieve a handgun you must do so from an FFL in your state of residence. However, you may recieve a long gun from an FFL that is out of state provided the checks performed at the time of purchase satisfy both the state in which you take possession of the firearm as well as your home state.Confused ... ?
    Support your RKBA ... MatthewNRA Life MemberTalk Radio Junkie opaliski@hotmail.com TheFirearmsEnthusiast
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  • AlerionAlerion Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It seems like the easiest thing to do is just stay in touch with the seller. Have him contact you when the gun becomes available and send the gun to an FFL in the state you're living in at the time. At worst you'll have to send him a second FFL.TomBTW, I didn't look for it but it seems like there is a time limit on GB for completing the sale. If the seller can't complete the deal for a month, you probably have grounds to back out if you so desire. After all, he's the one at fault for selling product he doesn't have or can't get in a reasonable time.
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am reading your interesting responses and will continue to read them and then decide what to do.The firearm is the new Russian production AK from Federal Arms Corp. The two states are contiguous and are both southern states that are "gun friendly."
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  • M.OpaliskiM.Opaliski Member Posts: 244 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That being the case, a long gun, either option would do. Have it sent to an FFL in your new home state or just go pick it up from the FFL in the old state.
    Support your RKBA ... MatthewNRA Life MemberTalk Radio Junkie opaliski@hotmail.com TheFirearmsEnthusiast
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  • ref44ref44 Member Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I could be mistaken, but I thought the contiguous state rule for longgun sales had been eliminated.
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  • JIM STARKJIM STARK Member Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I'm not mistaken, interstate transfers of long guns has been permitted since the gun owners protection act of 1986 Or did I dream it????
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  • HerschelHerschel Member Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Jim Stark, you are correct. The point is covered in question (F2) beginning on page 138 of the 2000 edition of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide, a BATF publication that is provided to FFL dealers.
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  • 74cuda74cuda Member Posts: 417 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    contiguous state rule no longer exists. As long as the customer is not prohibited to own a particular long gun in his home state, a dealer can legally sell him a long gun.Contiguous state rule used to be a pain in the butt for out of state hunters who happened to break or damage their rifles. It is no more.....
    "In God We Trust........All Others Go Thru NCIC"
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