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Ortegies

RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
edited December 2001 in Ask the Experts
Just bought a Ortegies 7.62mm? for $100.....anyone have any information or history on this unit?
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rembrandt, the Ortgies (no e in the middle) Pocket Pistol (.32ACP and .380) were made in the early part of the last century. If memory servers from about 1911 to around 1930, but I may be remembering wrong and have no books here. Blued or nickel plated, wood grips, 8 rounds in .32. Most are in fairly used condition, ie 60% or less. We have one that jams readily, the ram seems to be pitted and some rounds catch on the ramp rather than chambering. 100% condition worth about $300-$325 at 60% about $175. Neat griffon logo on the grips. [This message has been edited by He Dog (edited 12-17-2001).]
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The caliber is 7.65....no pits, rust or damage....very clean. Blueing wear on the slide...belonged to a widow's deceased husband, she just didn't want it around the house.Is 7.65 the same as 32 cal.?
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    7.65 is the European designation, and the same as .32. It shoots the same bullet as the 7.65 Walther PP and PPK. It should be fine to shoot, but wouldn't hurt to have a gunsmith look it over. I have never been quite sure why ours jams up, but it seems to be the slide. I should probably slick it up and try it.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Hedog for the info, much appreciated.
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  • AdamsQuailHunterAdamsQuailHunter Member Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1. Congrats on your new play pretty.2. Please update us on how the hand is doing.3. HeDog -- if you return to this post -- if SALZO isn't interested in your offer of plans for a Hawken pistol that you got from the Museum of Fir Trade --- I am. I will be glad to reimburse you for the cost of copying - packaging and postage. Please contact me directly at "adamsqua@bellsouth.net"4. Rembrandt - please forgive me for stepping all over your question.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some of these were WW2 bringbacks.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Adams, the finger is doing much better now, completely healed but tingly...doc says it will be 6 months to a year before it begins to feel somewhat normal...keep finding myself grabbing for things an dropping them for lack of a little pinky finger...could have been much worse. Thanks for asking...take care.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This may sound a little dumb....but how do you disassemble the slide and get the barrel removed for cleaning? I'm stumped.
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  • luger01luger01 Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rembrandt-The Ortgies pistols are really neat little guns. The value is not too high, but the quality was really good. There are no screws in the pistol - everything is held together by pins and springs.They were made in .25 ACP (6.35mm) .32 ACP (7.35 mm), and .380 ACP (9mm short/kurtz). The .380s are not too common, but still are pretty inexpensive.Now the rest of the story:These are nice pieces to look at, not great as shooters. Parts are hard to obtain and pieces (original) tend to break when you'd rather they didn't. Meatlurgy was quite inferior to what is done today and I DO NOT RECOMEND shooting these pistols.To disassemble:- Remove the mag by using the heal release and clear the action by cycling the slide. Be sure it's unloaded.- Take a thin screwdriver and place it in the mag well. About 1/2 way up on the back side is a leaf spring that you will push in that allows the grip panels to come off (remember - no screws!). Most of the grip panels are damaged from dufuses trying to remove them.- To remove the slide, you simply pull it to the rear and lift the slide off the back, then allow the spring to push it forward and off the barrel. BEWARE! When you lift up the slide, the firing pin and spring will probably shoot out and either get lost or put your eye out. Cover the rear of the slide with your hand to catch the pin and spring!- Assembly is a bit trickier, since you have to get the firing pin and spring in place and gently move the slide into place, while keeping the f.p. and spring captive until the slide is lowered enough to retain them.Actually this isn't all that hard, once you've done it and see how the parts fit together.As I said above, I don't recommend shooting these pistols. I've had several. All had some defect, and even after repairing them, I had one blow up in my hand. Thank God it was a .25 and the mag ejected and released the pressure, but the grips splintered and I had quite a suprise. What happened is the round detonated before the slide had closed. Not the ammo (Hornady) - probably a sticky firing pin that touched the primer as the round was being fed. The pistol was in great condition and had a clean bill of health from two gunsmiths and me (I am also a 'smith). The old parts simply are worn and of lower quality metals than what should be used. Hope this gives you the info you want and need.
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Luger01, Thanks for the instructions...much appreciated.
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